FFXIV Random Complaint Thread II: DPS can't count to potato

[Eeeks]

I 90k'd within a minute of logging in today. I couldn't even stay connected long enough to fucking feed my chocobo and plants. Nothing but relentless 90k errors since Saturday or Sunday.

EDIT: Great success! Personal and FC Chocobos fed and plants fertilized. Well worth the subscription fee.

EDIT2: 4.69.153.86 - Level3 Montreal. SE's all acting confused, like this hasn't been a problem since launch. To enjoy any real consistency in FFXIV functionality, I would have to transfer my character to a JP server group. It's fucking ridiculous.

[Prothescar]

a 10 inch goldfish has escaped me over 10x more than a 7foot shark. thanks yoshbama

[Jem]

Just had a 30% echo Titan. Laughably on the first kill I joked how easy it was and got knocked off by second landslide whilst talking to my wife. Made sure I paid attention after that, healers kept dying / getting knocked off

[Deadgye]

The point is the comparison between what you said about DRG and MNK compared to what you said about NIN. Like having alternate HT and Pleb for DRG gives you something to think about, alternate Demolish and PB combos gives MNK something to think about (aside from how to aggressively keep GL3 up). Of course, taking into account directionals and doing realistic DPS then MNK and DRG (well, MNK at least now) aren't that mindless considering NIN can stand in a spot and mash buttons provided the 1 directional attack they have isn't up.

But yeah no, only NIN needs to think about their "rotation" (Ifyoucanevencallitthat!).

Drg rotation is piss easy compared to nin "rotation". Heaven forbid I need to use dancing edge.

[Arthars]

dancing edge drives me crazy.......

having to watch for storms eye buff and then apply it, and then war eventually overwrites it is rageeeeeeeeeeeee

[Niiro]

SE still refuses to add seasonal gear to the armoire until after some pointless, arbitrary amount of time after it's released.

Also can't store...
-Slime Crown, Sable Death Mask, Goblin Cap, Slime earrings, Dodo earrings
-Behe/Odin gear
-Manderville earrings, patron deity rings (ra/ex 1.0 souvenirs)

[Neon_Sea]

Hit an important benchmark today, 30 Arum HELLS and no drop.

Edit: Oh and Im doing this as a BLM, que for 30 min then wait for 10 minutes while it reserves the instance for me.

[Detzu]

I heard mnk rotation is 123-456 but, the second you let DoTs wear off your mnk is useless.
The second you let GL3 wear off, your mnk is useless.
If you don't hit in the correct direction you mnk is useless.
If you don't use your off GCD your mnk is useless.
Then if you can't do all the above, play nin and just learn the standard rotation.

[Karbuncle]

I heard mnk rotation is 123-456 but, the second you let DoTs wear off your mnk is useless.
The second you let GL3 wear off, your mnk is useless.
If you don't hit in the correct direction you mnk is useless.
If you don't use your off GCD your mnk is useless.
Then if you can't do all the above, play nin and just learn the standard rotation.

You could apply the same flimsy logic to NIN too, or really any DD job.

Second you let Huton wear off you're useless.
If you fuck up Trick Attack you're useless
If you fuck up a Mudra you're useless.
If you dont use Assassinate/Mug/Buffs/Jugulate(Off GCD) you're useless
Then if you can't do all the above, you make a butthurt post.

But yeah, lets pretend any DPS job in this game is super complex to learn and master. Its really not. But the special kind of butthurt it takes to make a post implying only failed MNKs play NIN. I think we can all agree job rotations are painfully difficult to understand but every job has a hurdle to overcome when mastering your rotations.

[Lyall]

Burtgang tanks stacking VIT gear in Ifrit HM. Had a party yesterday full of brain dead yokels who were egging the paladin in Shield Oath to provoke off of me (and she did, thank god, or else we might have died!) on cooldown. I guess having 7k HP and using Sword Oath in a group where everyone's got 5k or more HP is playing risky.

Keep trying to tell myself I was getting trolled by a premade, but... I've got my doubts. What got my goat was the other tank saying right before she left "next time if u want to tank use the right stance" as if I wasn't taking it back from her constantly. Argh.

[Elcura]

Drg rotation is piss easy compared to nin "rotation". Heaven forbid I need to use dancing edge.

Heaven forbid you use a combo in your rotation...? I mean not every job is lucky enough to have what is essentially a DK-bitch as standard. Stop whining.

You could apply the same flimsy logic to NIN too, or really any DD job.

Second you let Huton wear off you're useless.
If you fuck up Trick Attack you're useless
If you fuck up a Mudra you're useless.
If you dont use Assassinate/Mug/Buffs/Jugulate(Off GCD) you're useless
Then if you can't do all the above, you make a butthurt post.

I agree with you for the most part, but if MNK fucks up and loses GL3 they're fucked for the longest amount of time (even with PB accounted for). Hell, you don't even have to make a mistake because the majority of fights will strip GL from you anyway. DRG and NIN don't have to go through nearly as much to get started.

And don't pretend that NIN has to keep up with anything as much as MNK does. You can fuck up a TA every minute, or a mudra potentially every 20s (+Kessatsu), but if MNK isn't playing on directionals constantly they aren't doing good DPS. If a MNK isn't within melee range for at least 6 seconds they lose a huge amount of DPS. NIN or DRG missing or fucking up doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurts MNK. This is ignoring the stupid shit I have to do on MNK every turn in coil to not to fall behind. NIN has none of those risks except for TA, and DRG CT.

But yeah, lets pretend any DPS job in this game is super complex to learn and master. Its really not. But the special kind of butthurt it takes to make a post implying only failed MNKs play NIN. I think we can all agree job rotations are painfully difficult to understand but every job has a hurdle to overcome when mastering your rotations.

But ultimately this is it.

[Deathbringer]

Having to wipe to Shiva HM(Trial roulette spamming) because tanks we're having an E-peen contest tanking the ADDS(Sup Icebrand). So I call both bad and tank on NIN while both are bitching @ me....

This is why I can't have fun on DPS jobs- cause shitty tanks make me regret it Every. Single. Time.

[Karbuncle]

Heaven forbid you use a combo in your rotation...? I mean not every job is lucky enough to have what is essentially a DK-bitch as standard. Stop whining.



I agree with you for the most part, but if MNK fucks up and loses GL3 they're fucked for the longest amount of time (even with PB accounted for). Hell, you don't even have to make a mistake because the majority of fights will strip GL from you anyway. DRG and NIN don't have to go through nearly as much to get started.

And don't pretend that NIN has to keep up with anything as much as MNK does. You can fuck up a TA every minute, or a mudra potentially every 20s (+Kessatsu), but if MNK isn't playing on directionals constantly they aren't doing good DPS. If a MNK isn't within melee range for at least 6 seconds they lose a huge amount of DPS. NIN or DRG missing or fucking up doesn't hurt them nearly as much as it hurts MNK. This is ignoring the stupid shit I have to do on MNK every turn in coil to not to fall behind. NIN has none of those risks except for TA, and DRG CT.

Hmmm, GL3 Increases your damage by 27% and Attack Speed by 15%, that is a lot to lose I agree. In the same light, I admit Huton is a lot easier to keep on(though if you mess up its a full 20 seconds of waiting, which I believe is only a few seconds longer than MNKs would take to build up), and NIN's damage buff, while 7% less, is permanent. So while MNK I do believe is significantly more punishing if you mess up, But I guess I can say that wasn't specifically my point, but more that it was laughable to insinuate only failed MNKs play NIN because MNK is just sooOoOoo complex. If anything, MNKs greatest foe is SE's fight designs.

majority of fights will strip GL from you anyway

Which I think should be addressed really, I know which fights you mean too, when the enemy vanishes or becomes immortal/untargetable.. it happens in a lot of fights and I believe it hurts MNK.

[Niiro]

I heard mnk rotation is 123-456 but, the second you let DoTs wear off your mnk is useless.

Demolish is already built into MNK's combos and the duration is conveniently 18s, which is almost exactly 9 GCDs with a ~2s cooldown, which is roughly what a MNK with GL3 is running.

What a coincidence! It's almost as if you just use Demolish instead of Snap Punch every 3rd combo!

As for ToD, it can be used at literally any time because MNK's stances are not interrupted by other WSs like normal combos are, it's also the first thing you drop (well, the only thing) if TP is going to be an issue.

The second you let GL3 wear off, your mnk is useless.

Maintaining GL doesn't require you to do anything special but.....fight.

If it drops it's either due to a hard stop in the action (generally a phase change) and can't be helped (protip: this is what PB is for), or you're just....not attacking stuff.

If you don't hit in the correct direction you mnk is useless.

Missing a directional occasionally hardly makes a MNK useless, it doesn't stop your combo, it doesn't cause you to lose any of your buffs or enfeebs, and standing on the rear/flank border of a mob and moving 2 steps in either direction is not brain surgery when that's all you have to do.

If you don't use your off GCD your mnk is useless.

Wow, all 2 of them? Which you just pop as soon as they're up? With no special conditions to save them for? Or animation lock?

(shoulder tackle's minimum distance makes it pretty idiot proof, you literally can't use it unless you kind of need to)

Then if you can't do all the above, play nin and just learn the standard rotation.

[Kiarax]

MNK is harder than NIN on anything not a training dummy. Both classes are easy. Differences in "rotation" aren't even worth mentioning. NIN has to stare at a ninjutsu cooldown, MNK has to take 2 steps to the left or right every 5~ seconds. MNK gets punished by mechanics harder than any other class does, but that doesn't really contribute to the difficulty of the class in the slightest. Everyone should stop being dumb.

[Greedouw]

West coast (CA in particular) lag on Monday nights has been fucking unbearable after that last big patch

[Arthars]

still no good ninja drops for me in coil....

want the head, hands, earring and bracelet.....

i got all the other pieces, wow awesome?! FUCK NO they are all skill speed lolllllllll i burn out TP so fast my brd rages at me

[Alistaire]

The boots aren't skill speed...just sayin.

[SamanosukeShiva]

thank god scouting pants never drop for me, or else id feel obliged to use it over 120 pants for the ilvl.

[Arthars]

The boots aren't skill speed...just sayin.

i feel much better now

a useful piece!