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[vivbiibasjiu]

A SCH to Regen 5 everyone is highly recommended for the Serket unity, let's face it people are slow to use their antidotes, and relying on a WHM to poisona will be even slower, so having regen on will let all the slow people survive long enough to realize they're poisoned and use their antidote before they drop dead. Hell even if you're fast you'll still take quite a bit of damage before the antidote goes off, so it helps. Other than the poison it's a pretty easy fight

[Sechs]

Any comment you can share about its attack, its defense and mostly its evasion?
For instance the two birds in Cape Terrigan and Saurumugue are pretty evasive and require a good mixture of Acc sets, Acc food and/or acc buffs.

[Fwahm]

I just did a Mephitas run last night. He's significantly easier to hit than other new Unities I've fought. I'd say 1000-1050 is enough accuracy to cap. As for defense, I wasn't capped at ~1700 attack and Dia II, but I wasn't too far off.

However, he can still hit pretty hard on non-tanks. With ~750 defense but no PDT, Earthbreaker does about 1000 (AoE), and Venom Sting and Stasis were doing 1000-1800. I'm not sure about the status of Sharp Strike (he does use it, though), and I never saw Death/Hell Scissors in 5 fights. We didn't die due to a really attentive WHM with Esuna, Mantra, and ~1:30-2:00 fights.

[Sechs]

Thanks for the many precious inputs Fwahm (any luck with drops? )

[dasva]

Any comment you can share about its attack, its defense and mostly its evasion?
For instance the two birds in Cape Terrigan and Saurumugue are pretty evasive and require a good mixture of Acc sets, Acc food and/or acc buffs.

Arke isn't really that evasive. I do fine on mediocre geared thf with mostly reforged gear and dt stuff with just 1 mad. If you take the time to dispell mambos and evasion boosts constantly might not even need that

[Sechs]

Go tell that to the pugs I had in party the other day, averaging 53% acc with double madrigal! XD

[dasva]

So triboxed some Voso... it is indeed rather evasive. With 1200 acc I wasn't quite capped. Didn't hit too hard like 60-100 with 68 pdt (run). Didn't seem too accurate though like I'd say I evade almost half the hits on run with around 750 evasion.

Has enparalyze that is either not too accurate or doesn't proc too often. But blaster is insanely accurate as in I only saw 1-2 normal resists (not the you resist the spell ones) in 10 fights with barpara barblizzara fire runes and plflug and 320 meva. Para from either source is ridiculously potent. Ie I'd get para'd out of 80-90% of the flashes or paralynas I'd do after. Silence didn't seem too accurate though

Doesn't seem to use charged whisker often... like in those 10 fights I saw it 3 times total. Does decent dmg but nothing too scary. Like around 1000-1200 in just capped mdt. My whm easily survived when it ran in to rebuff.

At lower hps (50% I think) uses blink of peril. At even lower (20-25%) it starts doing 2 moves back to back). Dmg from blink appears to be reduced by either dt or bdt but not mdt/pdt. In my tanking set seemed to reduce me to about 30% of the hp I had before it used it which was about how much dt I had. For some reason the couple of times it hit my whm it did way less dmg not really sure why since even with the nice dark rings it still should've had less of every kind of dt. Maybe how close to directly facing it matters or distance matters too. Which was nice so that when it did them back to back the 2nd one did hardly any dmg though because I was already low would get me near melee range. It also seems to remove you from the hate list for a second or 2 as every time it used it it would go after my whm but any action brought it back and even no actions it would come back a few seconds later.

Scariest thing really is paralyze especially if it manages to get your person with paralyna

[vivbiibasjiu]

Wouldn't Blaster be a lightning-based paralyze and thus not affected by barblizzard/fire runes/etc.?

[dasva]

Wouldn't Blaster be a lightning-based paralyze and thus not affected by barblizzard/fire runes/etc.?

Well the debuff would still be ice but I guess it could be thunder resist element. Not sure if we ran into any para moves that were a different resist element than the debuff though a few other debuffs were. Guess could try it

[Sechs]

Anybody has anything to share about Borealis Shadow? How does it work?

[Fwahm]

All four NMs pop at once, and it's a standard "have PLD super tank while everyone else picks mobs off one by one".

My group went with a ranger strategy; with PLD RDM RNG RNG RNG WHM BRD, wins took about 7-8 minutes.

[Sechs]

Thanks for the info Fwahm

[Sechs]

That didn't end up too well, but it probably depended on the PLD who was using Ochain instead of Aegis.
Also I got oneshot by a 20+ yalms Rampage that hit me for 2.6k damage.

[Martel]

That didn't end up too well, but it probably depended on the PLD who was using Ochain instead of Aegis.
Also I got oneshot by a 20+ yalms Rampage that hit me for 2.6k damage.

Are you still talking about Borealis Shadow? Because I'm finding this statement rather confusing.

Let me state first that I haven't done this NM. So if there's a significant difference between these and the original NMs aside from level, then my assessment may be off. but...

Why would a PLD wear Aegis when tanking ~4 mobs whose WS are all physical? Iirc, the NMs should be THF,RNG,BLM, and WAR. Once you pull the BLM off, which you should be doing first, there should be nothing magical threatening the PLD at all. Well, unless you were having the PLD tank the BLM while you were killing it too. But even then you'd at most swap Aegis on for nukes. And even that's gonna get you beat up by the other two NMs meleeing you.(The RNG being irrelevant to shield choice as you can't block ranged attacks anyway.

So, why exactly do you think the PLD should have been using Aegis?

[Sechs]

What killed the PLD is not the physical damage, but the Skillchain damage, multiple subsequent skillchain damage often.
Some friends told me that you kinda need Aegis to survive those, because sometimes they go so high they kinda oneshot you.

BLM was being killed by us, the DDs, and went down pretty fast. I got oneshot by the WAR with a Rampage as soon as I pulled him with a Provoke though. Oddly enough he used Rampage from distance lol.

[Fwahm]

Skillchains only have high damage if the closing WS has high damage. If you use Aegis, you'll have middling WS and extremely low SC damage, but if you use Ochain, you'll have low WS and very low SC damage, as long as you don't skimp with the DT gear. My Paladin tried both Ochain and Aegis, and he was taking significantly more damage with Aegis on.

It sounds more like your PLD was relying on Ochain alone to keep him alive, and wasn't using enough standard PDT and MDT.

[Sechs]

Does that apply for multistep SC as well?
Granted that I didn't check the log so I have no way to tell if that pug PLD is making up excuses to cover up some other error or if he was sayin the truth, but he claimed that WS damage was okaysh and that SC is what oneshotted him.
Guess we could blame slow cures as well maybe. (had no WHMs, only a SCH and a RDM)
If they only sent a single cure in the chain of damage that goes from WS1 to SC then probably all that damage summed up could've killed him (altough I wouldn't really call that "oneshot" lol)

I guess the most likely truth is that the PLD just sucked or did some silly mistake.

[Martel]

And he beat me to it. I should learn to type faster. But, one thing that could still be dangerous is the RNG's WS> you can't block range ws, so a SC closed by one could hurt. Thus the need for adequate PDT.

Although... It makes me wonder. Does MDT actually work on SC damage? I quite vividly recall getting killed by a SC for mirrored DMG on AA GK way back when. A PLD will pretty much always have shell up and GK doesn't have any form of dispel.

What are the chances that SC dmg after shell reduction just happened to equal the WS dmg exactly? <,<

[Tile]

you don't need Aegis, just be a decent geared Pld. I've tanked it a few times and the SCs do 0 dmg, cause the WSs do 0 Dmg to me. Ochain is fine, just the rdm one likes to nuke hard. If your Pld cant hold hate or gets killed the WSs can 1 shot people. While I was super tanking the other Pld who sucked kept losing hate and it would kill rangers. Its not a hate erase thing, the Pld just sucked and wouldn't use hate moves.

[dasva]

Does that apply for multistep SC as well?

The amount of steps don't matter 1 bit the base dmg for it is always the closing ws dmg. The number of steps and lvl just effect the multiplier