December Job Adjustments

[Kanriel]

No offense, but THF DPS in melee fights is seriously underated.

I'm well aware, I can beat Monks on damage, though I usually chalk that up to me caring and trying more than those monks. But THF brings TH, which is good. Monks bring formless strikes, which is essential (to some degree) on certain NM's like Matamata/craklaw and helps avoid some damage reduction on other NM's. And double hp...holyshitballs. Pretty sure in most situations Inner Strength will get you surviving much longer than Perfect Dodge. Also just the higher static hp with almost no different in dt/defense meaning it survives much better than THF. If only evasion could work similar to magic evasion against really high damage attacks or something...

[Priran]

I'm well aware, I can beat Monks on damage, though I usually chalk that up to me caring and trying more than those monks. But THF brings TH, which is good. Monks bring formless strikes, which is essential (to some degree) on certain NM's like Matamata/craklaw and helps avoid some damage reduction on other NM's. And double hp...holyshitballs. Pretty sure in most situations Inner Strength will get you surviving much longer than Perfect Dodge. Also just the higher static hp with almost no different in dt/defense meaning it survives much better than THF. If only evasion could work similar to magic evasion against really high damage attacks or something...

There's a million ways to kill Matamata, SAM can kill Cracklaw, Yaegasumi is nearly always better than Inner Strength, and Third Eye+Seigan offers better more adaptable damage mitigation than Counter even if you ignore that Counter flat out doesn't fucking work on half of the new mob types since Abyssea. But let's keep harping on MNK like it's 6 months ago and being good at Delve 1 is still a relevant niche.

[Kanriel]

There's a million ways to kill Matamata, SAM can kill Cracklaw, Yaegasumi is nearly always better than Inner Strength, and Third Eye+Seigan offers better more adaptable damage mitigation than Counter even if you ignore that Counter flat out doesn't fucking work on half of the new mob types since Abyssea. But let's keep harping on MNK like it's 6 months ago and being good at Delve 1 is still a relevant niche.

Monk also is superior on any utsusemi-required BC fights =P SAM won the delve 2 era, that's for sure. Monk is still 2nd place with a large gap over almost everyone else in overall utility. There are about 10 jobs that need major changes before MNK.

[dasva]

Shit if you need utsusemi just use a nin. They are rather respectable DDs right now. Can't wait to see what happens after this update

[Byrthnoth]

Monk was overlooked with this update, but until we confirm what the actual buffs are going to be it's kind of a waste of time getting bent out of shape about it. As it stood, the most competitive buffed DD was THF and it still wasn't in immediate danger of taking MNK's 1H DD crown. If the buff is weak, it could be that these jobs are just pulled up to monk's level.

[Kanriel]

Monk was overlooked with this update, but until we confirm what the actual buffs are going to be it's kind of a waste of time getting bent out of shape about it. As it stood, the most competitive buffed DD was THF and it still wasn't in immediate danger of taking MNK's 1H DD crown. If the buff is weak, it could be that these jobs are just pulled up to monk's level.

If they can pull 4-5 jobs up to MNK level, all that's needed is a slight nerf to SAM and we'd have the most diverse time in all of FFXI...

Shit if you need utsusemi just use a nin. They are rather respectable DDs right now. Can't wait to see what happens after this update

I already loved them just as a tank for AA's (at least early after AA's were released, not doing VD fights). Their faster attack rounds largely kept them with hate over the other DD's.

[Ophannus]

Not sure how thf dps is now but when VW/Provenance was still relevant content, i remember on Odin a THF named Heseray from our LS ProcTheRed outparsed the top 3 DRKs on the server(Warmachineprime/Renzy/Rerisen) on Provenance Watcher with pure white damage alone, he didn't weapon skill at all. I think proportionally mandau THF was stronger back then than it is now with white damage dps, but it would be nice if daggers got a a bit of a dps boost(the disaprity between dagger dmg and 2h dmg has become larger than it was before ilvl i think).

As far as other tanks, Doctorugh tanked AA Galka and Hume on difficult on DNC with an evasion set and he pretty much held hate and never dropped below white HP the whole fight, it was pretty fun to watch and heal(i was main healing on sch). Evasion tanking is still possible, just people don't wanna try. Ninjas can eat aoes and only lose 1 shadow and migWari helps for anything that would otherwise oneshot, also with Daken Ninjas can self skillchain pretty much all the time which is great for damage.

The problem with mnk is people relying too much on Formless to circumvent using specialized jobs to deal specific damage. Why bring a black mage or a ranger for magic/piercing damage phases when you can bring mnks and just formless strikes all the things? They would have to nerf its duration or recast or give it a decaying effect, or give other dds the ability to deal special damage. SAM has Muramasamaru, DRK had Twilight Scythe, MNK has Formless, WAR has Tomahawk, BLU and COR have Requiescat, just need to give something to THF/DNC/PUP/DRG and it would have been fine(granted twilight and muramasamaru need ilvl verison to be relevant).

I think SE would rather people bring the different jobs over giving every DD a way to deal alternative damage-but that still makes MNK desirable due to formless which means they'd need to make future mobs specifically resist formless to force players to bring ranged, slashing, nukers or piercing jobs over formless strikes spam. I think SE said future content would feature NMs with a heightened resistance to Formless Strikes kinda like how many mobs resist Souleater after a while, that was before Delve II came out, so not sure of that's been implemented or not.

[Renzy]

Not sure how thf dps is now but when VW/Provenance was still relevant content, i remember on Odin a THF named Heseray from our LS ProcTheRed outparsed the top 3 DRKs on the server(Warmachineprime/Renzy/Rerisen) on Provenance Watcher with pure white damage alone, he didn't weapon skill at all. I think proportionally mandau THF was stronger back then than it is now with white damage dps, but it would be nice if daggers got a a bit of a dps boost(the disaprity between dagger dmg and 2h dmg has become larger than it was before ilvl i think).

Nice bait.. Rerisen in the top 3? I don't think so

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[Botosi]

Idk, his post seemed pretty believable minus the "top 3 DRKs on the server" part.

[Mairja]

a THF named Heseray from our LS ProcTheRed outparsed the top 3 DRKs on the server(Warmachineprime/Renzy/Rerisen) on Provenance Watcher with pure white damage alone, he didn't weapon skill at all.

Guess the drks had their backs turned. Or they were dead.

[Sechs]

The fuck did I just read?
Someone could use some good psychotherapy sessions about his own selfesteem and socialskills.
Oh wait! It must be in the US, then it's all normal.

[dasva]

Hey I regularly topped parses in VW including provenance without shooting. Winning with pure ws dmg alone and only using wildfire!!!

[Rooney]

Also missing about ten other details to that story... like if the drks were proccing, buffs, etc. VW is a pretty terrible measure of who's a better DD.

[Sechs]

VW is a pretty terrible measure of who's a better DD.

^ this, always been like that.
I remember outdamaging DDs on BRD lol, does that make my BRD a better DD than them?

[Karizo]

The fuck did I just read?
Someone could use some good psychotherapy sessions about his own selfesteem and socialskills.
Oh wait! It must be in the US, then it's all normal.

as far as i know renzy isnt american, haha

[Warusha]

I'm willing to bet top dollar that the 3 DRKs were bitching that they had barblizzara drop so they stopped caring since support wasn't doing their FUCKING jobs.

[Squah]

Renzy's post is copypasta, and it's a really old one at that


how have some of you not seen that yet

[dasva]

Renzy's post is copypasta, and it's a really old one at that


how have some of you not seen that yet

It's old and not particularly funny anymore so I thought we were ignoring it

[Renzy]

It's old and not particularly funny anymore so I thought we were ignoring it

You take the time to read and comment on something that you want to ignore? ok

I posted that copypasta as a means to match the stupidity of what Ophannus posted previously, that was the whole point

[dasva]

You take the time to read and comment on something that you want to ignore? ok

I posted that copypasta as a means to match the stupidity of what Ophannus posted previously, that was the whole point

I read the first couple of sentences and commented on someone commenting on it