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**Acevalefor** · 2015-02-18 23:18

I am sorry Neph. I don't mean this to upset you, but it is incredibly ironic that you wield incredible power in your daily job and are on the giving end of infractions, yet here, on BG, you are upset about the power and how it is used/applied. It is the exact thing we have all been talking about and you are experiencing things from our point of view if only on a message board.

Again, I really don't want argue or fight or upset you. I am just making an observation of correlation.

**Nephlite** · 2015-02-18 23:52

I'm not ignoring you, but do please don't try to talk to me anymore because I'm near the end of my patience with you.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2015-02-19 02:44

I read all of that.

If there were a problem with another mod, there are procedures in place. That was one of the first things I looked into when I was modded. Those procedures take time, but I can have my merry way with any post. Should the initial steps fail, there is always the option of dicklipping the problem mod into stopping.

That being said, there was not a problem. Heated discussions are not disallowed. I have given Neph a time-out not for any particular infraction, but because he needed a time-out in the literal sense. Obviously this matter is personal to him, and I will ask that you all try to keep that in mind.

Another thing to keep in mind, here: We're all a bunch of vidya nerds. Neph is just as much one of us as any of you. Please be respectful.

**Gredival** · 2015-02-19 04:32

Originally Posted by Nephlite

I could. I try not to (and have never) report anyone and expect the mods to do their job. However, I have noticed some users get ignored or a mod will ignore another who's perpetuating a circlejerk, yet I or another user will get called out for the same behavior. I guess the ultimate question is, are people playing fair?

Mod participation - A useful tool but admittedly can be tricky. I personally have gotten involved in some threads where I feel that I can better improve the thread by directing discourse rather than just slapping people for them to come back 36 hours later and get back on the toilet, and I think it works. Which leads me to...

Mod neutrality - Aks is right. If you think a mod is being partial, call it in. There's usually at least one other mod who isn't substantively in the discussion who will adjudicate. No human is neutral, but I like to think that mod biases in this forum aren't so much about philosophical differences as users who are consistently PITAs because of how they act. And believe me, mods won't pull punches on each other in administrative discussions.

**Brill Weave** · 2015-02-19 06:28

I'm impartial. Who needs bant?

**Abandon** · 2015-02-20 06:22

eat shit brill

**Aksannyi** · 2015-02-20 10:51

Originally Posted by Gredival

Mod participation - A useful tool but admittedly can be tricky. I personally have gotten involved in some threads where I feel that I can better improve the thread by directing discourse rather than just slapping people for them to come back 36 hours later and get back on the toilet, and I think it works. Which leads me to...

Mod neutrality - Aks is right. If you think a mod is being partial, call it in. There's usually at least one other mod who isn't substantively in the discussion who will adjudicate. No human is neutral, but I like to think that mod biases in this forum aren't so much about philosophical differences as users who are consistently PITAs because of how they act. And believe me, mods won't pull punches on each other in administrative discussions.

Is it bad that this post kinda made me want mod powers just to listen in to mod fights? XD

**Gredival** · 2015-03-21 17:29

Originally Posted by Jefe

So, to clarify something. I was given an infraction because I referred to 'him' to the user in question (who shall remain unnamed)? Or because I said, the person was gone for good? I didn't even know the person was transexual (w/e), because I ignored like 99.9% of the posts. Never did I read anything pertaining to the person's gender, sexual proclivities, etc; nor do I give a fuck about any of that. You wanna suck cock? Go ahead. You feel like a woman? Knock yourself out.

If you wanna hand out chickenass infractions, let's give em to all. Use the same measuring stick. Stop being fucking selective. This is why we need an 'appeal' system to prevent mods who get butthurt because they 'felt' 'x' was 'y' towards 'z.'

Regarding the current convo: enjoy your semantics battle.

I didn't give out the infraction, but as I understand it, it was given out because you referred to hey as "he." This was a) interpreted as a deliberate insult because b) it's a direct violation of a specific rule already established in this thread which directed users to use pronouns of the subject's selection because people were referring Leela Alcorn as a he to incite arguments.

Given that you "ignored like 99.9% of the posts" I can see how you missed that. Unfortunately I fail to see how infractions were selective here as you are the only one violating a specific rule.

**Charismatic** · 2015-03-22 20:07

Damn, I hope nobody makes a typo.
Typing she, you're always just one letter away from an infraction. Watch those keys, people!

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2015-03-23 00:31

If the post is less than ~10 words, and you manage to fuck it up, i'm inclined to think you did it on purpose. if not, call it a stupid tax.

that said, i tend to err on the side of caution anyway, so i typically start with warnings and then escalate from there as need be.

**Tyrath** · 2015-03-23 10:07

Just a question, based on the selectiveness that Jefe might have been talking about.

If Chari, who as far as I know is a guy who identifies as male, and I are having an argument and I call him a girl, am I gonna get an infraction for that?

If the answer is no, I think thats what Jefe might have been talking about.

If the answer is yes, I personally can't help but roll my eyes at how silly the rule is.

**Waraji** · 2015-03-23 10:13

Originally Posted by Tyrath

If Chari, who as far as I know is a guy who identifies as male, and I are having an argument and I call him a girl, am I gonna get an infraction for that?

The question is, whether you know or should have known, if they identify as such. I think. Then again such a double standard: if that scenario plays out exactly as you described, no one bats an eye. If it happens in one of those femenist/transgender threads, shut everything down. But again, you are posting in there and should be aware that context and usage of word matters in those instances.

Need more Trigger warnings :D when posting if you haven't bothered to read the thread in its entirety.

**Tyrath** · 2015-03-23 10:15

No, I know. But in my example I know what Chari identifies as and lets say we're arguing in that thread. I'm honestly curious if that really is the rule if I were to call him a girl in there. Is this rule specific to the trans thread or the whole political forum?

**Aksannyi** · 2015-03-23 11:18

I think it should be specific to all of BG, honestly, but that's because I'm a feminist and insulting someone by calling them a girl and thus implying that my gender is somehow bad is a shitty thing to do.

If you're using "girl" as a slur, then it should be treated similarly to words like "faggot" or "spic."

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2015-03-23 11:26

False equivalency. Doesn't have the same impact. I might not infract it under the same mind-set as the misgendering... but I might infract it as a personal attack. Or I might do nothing and let people dogpile you for making sexist remarks. Context is everything.

As we've said before, this is not a safe space... but we do like to keep it reasonably clear of slurs and uncivilized behavior.

Also, double standards are a fact of life. This aint Harvey Dent country.

**Tyrath** · 2015-03-23 11:48

Originally Posted by Aksannyi

I think it should be specific to all of BG, honestly, but that's because I'm a feminist and insulting someone by calling them a girl and thus implying that my gender is somehow bad is a shitty thing to do.

If you're using "girl" as a slur, then it should be treated similarly to words like "faggot" or "spic."

Why are you assuming that it is an insult because it is lesser? It is an insult because he is not a girl and I am misgendering. The same as what the original Jefe issue was. I don't know how you turned it into a slur considering I came straight from the issue of Jefe misgendering someone.

Originally Posted by BaneTheBrawler

False equivalency. Doesn't have the same impact. I might not infract it under the same mind-set as the misgendering... but I might infract it as a personal attack. Or I might do nothing and let people dogpile you for making sexist remarks. Context is everything.

As we've said before, this is not a safe space... but we do like to keep it reasonably clear of slurs and uncivilized behavior.

Also, double standards are a fact of life. This aint Harvey Dent country.

Wait, are you seriously admitting to having double standards and using the 'dill with it' approach? Because I can tell you I have huge issues with that. Double standards are part of life, but we should always work on reducing them where we find them.

And it's not a false equivalency because you can't gauge the impact of something on someone based on whether they are trans, gay, hetero, or cis. Rules shouldn't be based on whether something may or may not have more impact in one scenario versus another. You can't tell me BG is not a safe place and then turn right around and tell me there are special rules in place for special cases.

**Aksannyi** · 2015-03-23 11:54

Originally Posted by Tyrath

Why are you assuming that it is an insult because it is lesser? It is an insult because he is not a girl and I am misgendering. The same as what the original Jefe issue was. I don't know how you turned it into a slur considering I came straight from the issue of Jefe misgendering someone.

Because if you're using it as an insult, then you're automatically implying that it's lesser. Intentional misgendering of someone, cis or trans, is insulting.

**Tyrath** · 2015-03-23 11:57

Originally Posted by Aksannyi

Because if you're using it as an insult, then you're automatically implying that it's lesser. Intentional misgendering of someone, cis or trans, is insulting.

No, you're entirely missing the point. Was Jefe insulting hey by calling her a 'he' and saying males are lesser? No. He was insulting because it was misgendering. My question was about what happens when I misgender a male who identifies as a male.

**Acevalefor** · 2015-03-23 11:58

Not lesser, just intentionally incorrect in an attempt to incite negative feelings.

**Gokku** · 2015-03-23 11:59

im having issues with the fact y'all have issues with any of this... the problem has only involved or been related to 1 poster who is not even allowed on the board currently so it REALLY shouldn't matter as much. the long story short should roll back too, dont blatantly insult someone if you dont wanna risk the Doritos.

Most infractions seem to happen when someone makes a personal dig at another LONG after the fact.

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