Cosby Rape Allegations

[Blubbartron]

So if a woman was raped, it should be illegal for her to say so unless she can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?

It's not illegal to say so to the police. It is illegal to go to every journalist you can contact and get them to tell your story with the intent to defame. Although really, the blame lies more with the journalist who is willing to print an unsupported story than the person making the claim. Much like the retraction of the UVA rape allegations, journalists should fact check and only run stories they have reasonable evidence to believe. The claim is not evidence.

[Thunder]

So if a woman was raped, it should be illegal for her to say so unless she can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?

She can say whatever she wants. But people around the world can also say it's bullshit until he gets charged with rape. Ya know, innocent until proven guilty?

It's too bad with the advent of online news there's 0 responsibility for stories being ran. Journalism is a dying art. For 1 original story, 999 news sites will just copy/paste what they say and absolve themselves of responsibility. Nobody gives a shit about the "truth" it's all about the # of clicks you get. I'm so sure a BUNCH of hatred today is caused by that kind of ideology

That's the world we live in though... if 10 women say that you raped them 10 years ago then your name is fucked. Too bad dawg, should have been kinder to the women you fucked, lol. I guess that's some weird social compensation since rape is so hard to prove without a reasonable doubt

[archibaldcrane]

As long as you say it is a claim, not a fact, there's no problem at all.

The burden of evidence that a slanderous claim is false is on the person claiming damages.

[archibaldcrane]

She can say whatever she wants. But people around the world can also say it's bullshit until he gets charged with rape.

Do you believe that Bill Cosby drugged and raped multiple women?

[Blubbartron]

As long as you say it is a claim, not a fact, there's no problem at all.

The burden of evidence that a slanderous claim is false is on the person claiming damages.

I'm not 100% read up on laws regarding slander and libel, but I'm pretty sure you don't have to prove the claim is false. You just have to prove the claim is unsupported, and the claimant has an intention to smear someone's reputation.

[Thunder]

As long as you say it is a claim, not a fact, there's no problem at all.

The burden of evidence that a slanderous claim is false is on the person claiming damages.

By you, you mean news outlets? Cause if you mean you.. then yeah, nobody gives a fuck what 1 person has to say. You don't see news outlets running with stories about how obama was fathered by hitler/stalin. Or chem trail business. Or whatever other crazy bs.

But news outlets WILL run with crazy ass claims pandering to SJWs because it gets MASSIVE clicks on their website. And there is a HUGE problem with that. There's a great book on this by a young dude (25?) who dropped outta college to work for Tucker Max, american apparel, and Robert Greene

Here's a funny little artistic video he's done for his book,


It's a really cool business. But definitely not how the world should work lol. Like, literally, places calling themselves "news" are worse than tabloids at getting facts checked. The nature of the internet + loser whiners caused news to turn into a gossip pit because that sells way better than actual news. That ain't rite

Do you believe that Bill Cosby drugged and raped multiple women?

Do I "believe"..? Idk what you're even getting at here man. We can't "believe" stories into reality. Today too often "stories" are about getting riled up and having a good time h8ing on someone instead of the truth

[Kyreth]

So if a woman was raped, it should be illegal for her to say so unless she can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?

Not at all. They should report it to the police immediately, so said rapist can be investigated, prosecuted, and if it was true, they'd only be calling Cosby "Pudding" for what leaked out of his ass after becoming a prison bitch.

As far as I can tell, none did, followed by a massive wave of accusations that we have today- and still, nobody officially going to the cops. That makes me think we may have a few legit possible crimes buried in a wave of wannabes looking for a quick settlement and some cash.

[Cantih]

Snoop and Jamie Oliver need to form a super duo to get these kids eating good shit over here.

I'd... actually watch and episode of that.

[archibaldcrane]

Not at all. They should report it to the police immediately, so said rapist can be investigated, prosecuted, and if it was true, they'd only be calling Cosby "Pudding" for what leaked out of his ass after becoming a prison bitch.

As far as I can tell, none did, followed by a massive wave of accusations that we have today- and still, nobody officially going to the cops. That makes me think we may have a few legit possible crimes buried in a wave of wannabes looking for a quick settlement and some cash.

Statute of limitations has long since passed on all of these - expecting them to go to the cops now is fucking retarded.

[archibaldcrane]

Do I "believe"..? Idk what you're even getting at here man.

It's a pretty simple question - I'm trying to ascertain whether you are saying

"In general, we shouldn't assume a guy is a rapist because he's accused of rape"

Or

"I don't believe these accusers, I believe Bill Cosby is not a rapist"

[Thunder]

It's a pretty simple question - I'm trying to ascertain whether you are saying

"In general, we shouldn't assume a guy is a rapist because he's accused of rape"

Or

"I don't believe these accusers, I believe Bill Cosby is not a rapist"

Oh, definitely the first. I've never watched/talked to Bill Cosby so I don't have much of an opinion on anything about the guy. I'm here just for the media-rape relation, really

[kuronosan]

It's not illegal to say so to the police. It is illegal to go to every journalist you can contact and get them to tell your story with the intent to defame. Although really, the blame lies more with the journalist who is willing to print an unsupported story than the person making the claim. Much like the retraction of the UVA rape allegations, journalists should fact check and only run stories they have reasonable evidence to believe. The claim is not evidence.

Personally if a woman feels she was raped she ALWAYS has the right to come forward.

My problem is when people come forward about rape and people run away with it and believe it before all the evidence is in and a fair trial is underway.

[archibaldcrane]

There won't be a trial.

So...should no one believe the dozen+ accusers?

[kuronosan]

No, I'm saying no one should be calling Cosby a dirty rapist and trying to tarnish him when there's no (reasonable) evidence of his guilt.

If a few people messaged me right now and told me you killed someone ten years ago to get your job today, is it fair to you if I just believe them?

That doesn't mean they're liars but it hardly justifies going all out to ruin your life.

No, rape and murder aren't the same. But the principle is.

[archibaldcrane]

So there are no number of accusers that will make you think "yeah that dude's probably a rapist, I'll proceed thinking as much"?

Also, saying there's no reasonable evidence of his guilt is ridiculous. Over a dozen people are witnesses to very similar behavior over the years.

[Blubbartron]

So there are no number of accusers that will make you think "yeah that dude's probably a rapist, I'll proceed thinking as much"?

Also, saying there's no reasonable evidence of his guilt is ridiculous. Over a dozen people are witnesses to very similar behavior over the years.

How do you distinguish between copycats looking for their 15 minutes of fame and people telling what they remember? How do you verify the memory isn't a so-called "false memory"? It happens all the time, especially to older people. They hear a story a bunch of times, and then after a while they start placing themselves in the story. Trying to figure out reality from that point forward is a fucking mess.

[archibaldcrane]

Do you think he's a rapist, Blub?

[Blubbartron]

Do you think he's a rapist, Blub?

I haven't seen any evidence that suggests he is. Only some claims that he is.

[archibaldcrane]

So you don't think he's a rapist?

[kuronosan]

I'll answer. I honestly don't know. But I'm not going to start calling him a piece of shit over it either.