Suicide Squad (August 5, 2016)

[Hirronimus]

Okay, she butchered that shit.

[Salodin]

Its so so bad T_T why would you post that

[NotGreyheim]

Haven't seen the movie yet, just assumed it was still bad.
To atone, here's my personal favorite:

[6souls]

40% Viewership drop between Friday & Saturday

https://twitter.com/GiteshPandya/sta...31333011349505

For comparison on recent opening Fri-Sat drops:

Batman v Superman - 38%
X-Men: Apocalypse - 22%
Captain America: Civil War - 18%
Deadpool - 10%

[tyven]

yikes

[6souls]

Rumored Deleted Scenes and Edits, Ayer Shot a Rated R film and WB reworked it into PG-13

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• In early cuts, the movie's opening detailed June Moone's posession by Enchantress in real time. Reshoots reshuffled the scene to be later in the movie in flashback form in favor of a new opening centered on Deadshot.
• Deadshot in the prison cell, watching the rain fall and thinking about his daughter.
• El Diablo observing the flame of a lit match, before putting it out due to his vow to no longer use his powers.
• El Diablo being escorted to a training center by being placed in a tube that fills with water to quel his flames, and then unceremoniously dropped onto the ground.
• Early interviews mentioned Captain Boomerang's racism and sexism, but the movie is light on examples of such behavior, which have apparently been deleted. Most of them were reportedly directed at Katana, to whom Boomerang is attracted to.
• Early reports indicated more backstory for Killer Croc, revealing that he lived his entire life as a social outcast due to his physical deformities and has convinced himself that he is beautiful in his own way. Croc crossed paths with Batman while working as muscle-for-hire for numerous Gotham's crime bosses, while secretly planning to take over one day. There were also scenes displaying his affinity for making sculptures out of discarded materials. Aside from jokes about Croc viewing himself as 'beautiful,' one of these were retained in the final cut.
• Also deleted was a scene where he (Croc) becomes sick at the helicopter escort to Midway City, throws up half-digested pieces of goat, and then eats them again, disgusting the nearby Navy Seals.
• Early cuts reportedly included a passing reference to Slipknot being serial rapist, likely to further paint him as unsympathetic to the audience ahead of his own death.
• More scenes of Rick Flag and June Moone's romantic relationship, including him reading the files of the Suicide Squad recruits after Waller delivers them to him.
• Another scene where Flag and Moone are out on a date.
• Extended scene of Joker interrogating Captain Griggs, including the line, "I can't wait to show you my toys," which was in every trailer, but was removed from the movie.
• Joker and his men escaping after shooting up a restaurant. Harley, who is already affiliated with the Joker, follows them on a motorcycle and intercepts their car. Joker bangs his head against the glass in frustration.
• Joker and Harley then get into a fight, which ends with Harley pointing a gun at Joker's head. Joker sweet-talks Harley into lowering the gun, charming her, then backhands her across the face. Afterwards he sweet-talks her again and they kiss.
• Extended Ace Chemicals scene where Harley jumps into the chemicals. More bits of dialogue by the Joker.
• Extended Batmobile chase scene with more interaction between Joker and Harley. One of the examples, presented in all the trailers, is the Joker punching the roof of his car.
• Harley using her baseball bat as a mock gun to play shoot at invisible foes.
• Extended scene of Joker breaking into the nanobomb manufacture facility to arrange for Harley's neck-bomb to be disabled.
• More interactions between Harley and Boomerang. Early cuts apparently included her really disliking him despite growing affectionate to all other members of the squad.
• Extended bar scene with Harley taking everyone's orders. Deadshot calls for a shot, Katana wants whiskey, Croc and Boomerang settle for beer, Harley asks Diablo wants and he prefers water which she jokes, is "a good idea." The scene was featured in the trailers, but in the movie it cuts directly to Deadshot's speech about them almost pulling the mission off.
• Removed several scenes with the Joker to repaint his relationship with Harley as more loving rather than abusive.
• Joker and Harley get into an argument after he rescues her in the hijacked helicopter. In early cuts he reportedly pushes her out to kill her, then the helicopter gets shot down. This was apparently reworked into the helicopter getting shot down first and Joker pushing her out to save her.
• Joker returns during the final battle in the subway station, face half-burnt from the helicopter crash, which apparently leads to a brief altercation with the Suicide Squad. He calls for Harley to escape with him but she refuses for once in order to help her friends, and the Joker escapes after throwing a live grenade at the group to cover his own escape.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinemati...eleted_scenes/

Differences between the Official Novel, based off of the Original Cut, and the Film Release

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• The story begins with June Moone investigating the caves. She'd being haunted by nightmares of a woman. She's travelled half way around the world to search for something that potentially may not exist. She knows the name 'Enchantress'. She is accompanied by two people, Manuel and Luis, mountain guides she has worked with for several years. She can also speak Spanish. The mountain guides refuse to go into the cave with her. It seems like June has been plagued by these dreams for a long time.
• The story then goes to Arkham Asylum where it has been a peaceful night, until masked thugs descend from helicopters into the courtyard. They kill all the guards. The thugs are looking specifically for Harleen. "Doctor Quinzel. How nice of you to join us. You're looking... good enough to eat. Figuratively speaking, of course. I'm strictly vegan. At least today". The Joker then implies that the electroshock therapy is revenge for her doing it to him, and 'scorching what few dead and faded memories I had into a sizzling knot...'. In the film Harley seems to not fear the Joker but in here she's pleading for him to let her go. But then she starts to enjoy it, asking for more pain and pleasure.
• Then we go to Deadshot who is out in town. He gives coupons to homeless men and then watches them scramble to get them. We get the scene with him preparing to shoot the guy.
• Then we get the club scene which is largely unchanged.
• A scene with Deadshot and his daughter that was in the movie, but also him arguing with his ex-wife, and then Batman.
• Then the Joker and Harley in the car. We find out why the track is called 'You can't make my teeth hurt' and the line 'Hope you've got insurance'. The Joker doesn't give a shit and laughs at the fact that he drives into Gotham river leaving Harley to die. Batman says 'Joker took something important from me. It's my turn'.
• Then Harley in Belle Reve and Deadshot, being taken by Griggs.
• The Ace Chemicals scene is extended. It's implied the Joker makes her jump off as a joke, but then changes his mind similar to the film.
• He (Joker) manages to jump out of the helicopter. The helicopter crashes into a bank building. He laughs knowing that money is burning inside. 'God, I love the smell of burning cash in the morning'. I haven't read up to there yet but from a search it appears that he's not in it after that which I find confusing. I'll keep reading. The story has the same ending, though, with the Joker breaking Harley out.
• Description of the extended Ace Chemicals scene: The scene goes as follows:
  
  • Joker points down towards the vats.
  • Joker: "There. I was born down there."
  • Harley stares down. She desperately wants the same.
  • Joker: "Would you die for me?"
  • Harley nods.
  • Harley: "Yes."
  • Joker: "No... that's too easy. Would you live for me?"
  • Joker smiles, scaring her.
  • Joker: "Will you embrace me, and only me?"
  • Harley nods vigorously.
  • Joker: "Will you bind your spirit to mine... in hate? Do you consign your soul to me? Do you laugh at the world in disgust?"
  • Harley: "...yes."
  • Joker: "Do not say this oath thoughtlessly. Desire becomes surrender. Surrender becomes power. Do you want it? Do you really want it?"
  • Harley: "I do. I do."
  • Joker: "Then goodbye, Doctor Quinzel."
  • Joker gestures towards the edge of the vat. Without hesitation she jumps.
  • Joker thinks "She's gone, forever. Problem solved." He pauses and touches his chest. He feels something. Love? Of course not. He couldn't see her floating face down and dying. Which was the original plan. He jumps down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinemati...ad_theatrical/
https://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Squad...e+Novelization

[Alistaire]

So basically instead of shouting "fuck Marvel" at the premiere, he should've said "fuck WB".

[Hirronimus]

So is this evidence of studio meddling again?

[Dantrag]

So is this evidence of studio meddling again?

Sounds like it. And sucks that for some reason Ayer is saying this was his vision and there won't be a directors cut? How does that even make sense?

[Alistaire]

Sounds like it. And sucks that for some reason Ayer is saying this was his vision and there won't be a directors cut? How does that even make sense?

Maybe he made the R rated cut, the studio disagreed and convinced him it was better to redo it?

[Hirronimus]

Or you know, he's playing ball because studio offered him a budget for his next project.

[Stilzkin]

The deleted scenes don't seem to make a more cohesive movie. For the large part it seems like WB edited the film to make the characters more likeable. Knowing that some of the characters were serial rapists would not have improved the plot.

[Dantrag]

So, any indication that WB will ever learn?

The deleted scenes don't seem to make a more cohesive movie. For the large part it seems like WB edited the film to make the characters more likeable. Knowing that some of the characters were serial rapists would not have improved the plot.

This isn't supposed to be a redemption story, it's about some of the worst of the worst forced to help.

[tyven]

Or you know, he's playing ball because studio offered him a budget for his next project.

I think this is likely, just being a good soldier

[Stilzkin]

This isn't supposed to be a redemption story, it's about some of the worst of the worst forced to help.

The movie would not have gone over better had the characters involved been worse people. You can make your characters be villainous without going down the road of them being racists and rapists. Some movies could get away with it, this movie definitely can't when it barely manages to make sense of what the characters are trying to do. If you want characters like that you need to spend actual time with the characters so the viewers can be swayed from just hating them.

[Dantrag]

The movie would not have gone over better had the characters involved been worse people. You can make your characters be villainous without going down the road of them being racists and rapists. Some movies could get away with it, this movie definitely can't when it barely manages to make sense of what the characters are trying to do. If you want characters like that you need to spend actual time with the characters so the viewers can be swayed from just hating them.

I understand. That's another issue with WB, they need to build their universe, but it's too late for that shit since they're trying to force JL down our throats without any development.

[Fiendishone]

Seen all the negativity about it, still watched it today and yeah had some cringe worthy moments, was all over the place but for what it was, being a popcorn flick, I kinda enjoyed it personally. Would watch again. Better then BvS, miles from Civil War/Deadpool.

[Insanecyclone]

[Myrrh_Quetz]

Fuck, those two guys are awful. I don't get how anyone likes them.

[TheDirtyHobo]

They're living off the fame of the Plinkett reviews. Which were genuinely great. I still think they have a decent critical eye but pretty mediocre tastes for movie comedy. Good film critics, mediocre movie critics.