Street Fighter V: A Preliminary Thread

[Bweigelt]

Can't you technically argue that basically anyone on the cast without an invincible move on wakeup (not counting CA) is free to throws? Sim's wakeup is no worse or better then people like Bison, Gief, Nash, etc etc. In fact it's probably superior to their options since he has a 3 frame jab to possibly negate some setups (yes I know it's only 3 frames against an airborne opponent, my point remains).

Most Sims more rely on his st MK instead of the HP since it's obviously alot faster, and recovers fast enough to allow for AA if the opponent jumps it. And his mk slide is + on block/hit if properly spaced/meaty

Ok, so his mixup isn't great if the opponent can just dash out of it, but how much of the cast gets a full screen 50/50 after a knockdown?

How much of the cast has a move that scores a knockdown, is throw invincible, can go over low attacks, and is +8 on block?

I mean you compared his wakeup to 3 other characters that have god awful wakeup options and are either extremely overrated right now cause no one punishes their shit(Bison, Nash) or are already terrible.

I see Sim as the same as Bison and Nash, strong right now cause they are abusing shit people don't know how to deal with yet, but will start slipping as soon as someone the word gets out their on how to put a stop to it.

[Krandor]

You realize why very few people punish Bison or Nash right? Cause in alot of instances you fucking can't. Their unsafe moves are very easy to just not use in situations where you could get punished.

[Don Katsu]

God I'm so terrible for not punishing Bison's +3 on block crush counter.

[shidobu]

i feel like if i can get a read on sims gdamn teleport and hit him after he does it. i should get a gdamn air juggle crush counter cuz that shit is broken > (im just mad fuck this game)

[Chun Liroy]

God I'm so terrible for not punishing Bison's +3 on block crush counter.

The one with 9f start up on the character with 2f advantage on his best case?

[shidobu]

tried to accept but its full. gotta go pick u the gf anyways

[Krandor]

His jabs are +3 block.
Meaties exist.
Frametraps with EX Fireball are a thing.

[Bweigelt]

Bison has one good normal to pressure with and it's 9 frame startup. He gets thrashed in neutral by like half the cast, and if you are on point you can check his dash on reaction with most light attacks. Once people stop letting him get in for free and challenge him after scissors he'll have to play a smarter game than most of the bisons are right now and he'll drop to mid - upper mid instead of the dominant force he is now. Of course he'll probably always be a scrub killer cause they don't anti-air and will let him dash in and pressure them for free. Nash is a bit trickier. The way he's winning right now isn't how I think he'll be played in a few months. He'll probably still be top 5 maybe even top 3, but he won't be moonsaulting in from fullscreen.

[Krandor]

You do know he has a HP button right? While slow both St HP and df+HP are long range pokes that lead to either easy combos or safe on block pressure strings.

[Bweigelt]

Both those moves have huge startup why are you just letting those moves hit you from a range where they are safe. Do you really think people aren't going to adjust to shit like that?

[Krandor]

Man, it's almost like you have to mix up your moves or something.

[Chun Liroy]

His jabs are +3 block.
Meaties exist.
Frametraps with EX Fireball are a thing.

Doesn't make a difference.
You shouldn't be able to punish me a ties except euro inv. Moves anyways
This uses meter.

Why are people crying about this move?

[Krandor]

Idk, why are people crying about a move that can crush counter, combo on normal hit, and is +3 on block?

Are we pretending that 9 frame startup somehow magically makes it not an incredible button? It's not like Bison is hitting nothing but St HK, he has other buttons to punish attempts to beat it out with a jab.

[Weltall]

It is like Krandor said previously: unless some type of simple OS tech hits us, the game is pretty much laid out in front of us. Bison and Sim are just fucking good and will continue to be good.

Bison doesn't even need scissors to dominate in this game and if people want to challenge him after it, just block and reset the situation into yet another advantageous one based on character alone.

@Chun: I still cannot find your fighter ID. It's the only one that has ever failed to find results lol.
Edit: Nvm found :D finally lol

[Bweigelt]

I mean it's a good button no doubt about it, but it's not like this is something that other characters can't do. If we turn it around and put Karin in Bison's face what exactly is he gonna do, she can basically shut down any button he wants to press and he has no way to get her off of him.

Bison has no way to deal with pressure, no wakeup options, no threat of a throw and will have difficulty getting in on characters once they start checking the dash and AA'ing. Sure his pressure is pretty good but his neutral game is lacking. He'll get his wins, but he's certainly not the monster you guys are making him out to be.

[Weltall]

I think the character is stupidly, OP good. They can leave him as is for all I care though. These games almost always have 1-2 very top tier characters.

[Krandor]

Man, if only Capcom put in some kind of universal option to stop pressure for the characters without invincible DPs.

[Krandor]

BUT OMG YOU GUYS YOU CAN THROW PEOPLE OUT OF V REVERSALS. Well no shit, you also get crush countered for 300+ damage combos if you whiff a DP.

[Weltall]

You also can't use jabs against anyone half decent because they are usually in + frames and will just counter you into massive damage.

I get how it works. It's cool for people that like this kind of system, but it just isn't for me or my play style. I should have picked up GGXrd when it dropped orz.

[Krandor]

You also can't use jabs against anyone half decent because they are usually in + frames and will just counter you into massive damage.

I get how it works. It's cool for people that like this kind of system, but it just isn't for me or my play style. I should have picked up GGXrd when it dropped orz.

To say nothing of the game having a priority system for normals.

Get down with Revelator when it drops. You could honestly even play the current version since most of the current cast is being left relatively unchanged in Revelator.