Street Fighter V: A Preliminary Thread

[Damane]

frame 2 is the same as srks are now. so no its worse then a vurrent srk due to guesding but the dmg is insane (1/4 lifebar gone on cammy).
hence why i said she has problems with rushdown. even on ex countets you have to guesd correctly or you eat dirt


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[Callisto]

Is EX counter L+M/L+H/M+H for different levels?

Correct.

[Spider-Dan]

frame 2 is the same as srks are now. so no its worse then a vurrent srk due to guesding but the dmg is insane (1/4 lifebar gone on cammy).

Season 2 DPs are invincible on frame 3.

• Added hurtbox and throwable box during 1-2F
• Changed physical strike/projectile invincibility to 3-6F

[Krandor]

I was willing to give the game a second (OK, more like 3rd) chance with season 2, but seeing the shitty slop job Kolin represents I uninstalled this crap again.

[Callisto]

Do you mean in terms of design? I think she's actually not that bad, she's just made to not play footsies at all. She's basically Decapre minus a DP but plus a projectile, and with clunkier movement because everyone in SFV feels like you're driving a dump truck

[shukudai]

I honestly am wondering if they're going to make some kind of major overhaul, or move on to another SF game or... something?

By this point in SF4's history, I had sunk in hundreds of hours. Maybe 20 in SFV? It's simply too un-fun. I had a bunch of time into SF3 the first 3-4 years it was out, Dreamcast shit etc, and tons of SF2. But V is just... everything is off. From the menus, to load times, to connections, to the actual game itself. The impressive plays are honestly mostly not that impressive. The high level play is mostly meh. I do like the art style mostly, and I wouldn't call it horrible, but it lacks that "thing" that is SF and just sucks you in.

[Moridam]

if they were going to do a major overhaul of any sort, i expect that would've been something we'd see between seasons. obviously it's not going to happen for season 2, and i think it's probably a safe bet it's never coming. the best we can hope for is another mainline entry in 2-3 years instead of the usual 5-6 from now.

[Weltall]

I honestly am wondering if they're going to make some kind of major overhaul, or move on to another SF game or... something?

By this point in SF4's history, I had sunk in hundreds of hours. Maybe 20 in SFV? It's simply too un-fun. I had a bunch of time into SF3 the first 3-4 years it was out, Dreamcast shit etc, and tons of SF2. But V is just... everything is off. From the menus, to load times, to connections, to the actual game itself. The impressive plays are honestly mostly not that impressive. The high level play is mostly meh. I do like the art style mostly, and I wouldn't call it horrible, but it lacks that "thing" that is SF and just sucks you in.

Man, it is nice to see a high quality post around here these days! I remember playing Super with you a lot!

[Jefe]

1 like = 1 prayer.

[shukudai]

Man, it is nice to see a high quality post around here these days! I remember playing Super with you a lot!

lol, yeah we played a bunch. I played a bit recently just because I missed playing Makoto, it's surprising how fast you get your sealegs.

I just don't see how this isn't the general view of the game? You can try and define it many different ways, but it just comes down to, to me anyways, it's SF without the magic that makes it SF. So it's still like "Argh, I want to play SF, it's not that bad." and it's not BAD... It's just missing that thing. Since they said no future versions for SFV, no Turbo/Super/etc, I hope in a coming season they manage to insert that magic thing.

[Deejay]

To me, that thing is just normals. They botched the range on normals and their pushback. Lights push back more than some mediums, which makes no sense at all. Crush Counter is also lame as hell in footsies. Mid range in this game is wild boring and close up doesn't feel like it requires any skill.


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[Callisto]

Not just lights, counterhits have more pushback too, so even if you hit a meaty to beat wakeup jab you're punished for it lol https://twitter.com/Alioune85/status/838445303598571520

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Which is why I always find it puzzling that the idiots were all, "but this game at its core is fine, just fix the netcode, the 8f, the lobby, etc., etc.,"

and I'm like, uh, the biggest problem with this game is the CORE GAMEPLAY. Fuck the lobby, the 2p rematch option, the netcode, the UI, and all that aesthetic bullshit. Because the moment those issues get fixed, you're all going to have to come back down to earth and realize the biggest problem all along was the core gameplay.

Had the game been FUN to play and SPECTATE, we wouldn't give nearly as much of a fuck about all those other problems.

For all you still waiting for patches/seasons to change this game at its core, it will never happen. It would mean they'd have to scrap the entire thing from the bottom up. It's not going to happen and Capcom cannot afford it at this point.

Which would explain their bizarre decision to double down and throw money at the CPT for another year instead of using that money to scrap the entire game completely and build it back up. They're literally hoping and praying at this point by throwing money at Esport. It's a lot cheaper than having to rebuild the entire game even though they know it's a commercial and critical/grassroot fucking failure on every level.

When Topanga -- the most prestigious tournament in the world -- is FREE to watch for the first time, and gets HALF the viewers it did compared to USF4 when it was pay-to-view, you know you have a fucking boring fucking game on your hand.

Here's hoping the USF4 revival at Canada Cup is real. Perhaps Capcom can just trash SF5 all together and pump out Ultimate SF4 or something.

Nerf Elena, buffs/adjustments here and there, throw in a few new characters, and bam, back to the greatest fighting game of all time leading the way for esport growth.

[Lucavi]

I'd rather the scene die than go back to that ugly polygonal mess that was SFIV. By that logic, throw 4 into a dumpster, balance 3 and re-release it. At least its pleasing to the eye.

[Jefe]

I fucking abhor SF3, it's up there w/ 5.

[Krandor]

Yeah but no one cares about your opinions.

[Xno Kappa]

SF3 was trash lol. People only look fondly on it through nostalgia goggles cuz Evo Moment #37. Land cr.mk > erhmahgawd im so godliek!

Alpha 2 was where shit was popping in NYC back in the day.

[Weltall]

Alpha 2 was great. The scene is basically dead to a lot of us. The streams suck ass now. The core gameplay is the biggest problem of the "main game", like JC just said. NRS can't do models or animations to save us. Anime will never be popular in the US or EU. And to top it all off, the next Marvel somehow has worse graphics than any of its predecessors and will likely be super casual.

The scene is dead. Only thing keeping it going is dev or sponsor pot money.

[fantasticdan]

I've hardly played any modern fighters since SF5 came out, just been on fightcade once in a while. If tekken 7 pc version/netcode is any good I'll be on that probably.

[shukudai]

Well, my fantasy-land theory for all this bullcrap is that Capcom is playing a really long game? Setting it up as an eSport, building more name recognition, so when they announce the next SF, or a major major series of changes to 5, the base in terms of eSports/fanbase will be there.

Reality however says to me that is likely not the case, and it's just utterly and totally being mismanaged.