Street Fighter V: A Preliminary Thread

[Charismatic]

I'll test this bit of knowledge.
Explain to me how you can say 3S has no footsies and yet Chun is top tier. Lets not even pretend Chun SA2 is the best super in the game because it most assuredly is not and if great supers were better than amazing pokes, Necro would be near the top.

Go ahead.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

I'll test this bit of knowledge.
Explain to me how you can say 3S has no footsies and yet Chun is top tier. Lets not even pretend Chun SA2 is the best super in the game because it most assuredly is not and if great supers were better than amazing pokes, Necro would be near the top.

Go ahead.

First of all, I never said 3s has no footsies. I said it has dishonest footsies, AT BEST. You can never really tell when top players are actually actively playing footsies. One moment it seems legit, then it's immediately followed by a random action that wouldn't make sense in any other fighting game.

Chun is top tier because she has too many ways to completely shut down rhythmic based nature of 3s.

This means you cannot approach Chun Li with the same mentality as you would every other character in the game. You cannot come at her with the mindset that if you can predict her, you can parry her and get in on her and play the game like you would vs all the other characters: in your face phonebooth offense.

This means Chun is a defensive monster. She is a defensive monster in a game that rewards/forces all the other characters to play offensive/rushdown. In short, Chun shuts down the very nature 3s is played. You cannot approach Chun with the mentality that you can rush in and just parry her shit and rush her down. Due to her defensive options, she is incredibly hard to parry/approach with this mentality.

b.Fierce cancel-able into lightning legs, option select parry into cl.RH cancel-able into super jump or lightning legs, AIR THROW, cr.MK > SA2, all make her super annoying to approach/rush down.

Offensively, she may not be as strong as the other characters, but she has the great equalizer in her stupidly overpowered kara throw. Her defensive option allows her to dictate and slow down the pace of the match. This is why 99% of Chun matches looks like Chun bullying her opponents to the corner. The way Ohnuki plays Chun perfectly describes her playstyle: she's a walking wall. The moment Chun gets her SA2, she becomes a different beasts because it allows her to constantly make her opponents flinch with the threat of kara throw/cr.mk into SA2 50/50. Her great walk speed also helps in this situation.

This is why she's top tier. Not because it's her overwhelming footsies ability LOL. That is inane. No characters have ever been SSS+++ tiers in any Street Fighters strictly due to their superior footsies in any SF history, and for you to suggest that one time it is the case, just so happens in a game that discourages footsies, is laughably misguided.

It's also funny you bring up Chun, but conveniently ignore Yun. Yun, the one character Chun loses to, and is also the culmination of everything wrong with 3s LOL. A character whose gameplay has no need for footsies, is entirely revolved around building his short ass bar to activate the single most overpowered SA in the game, is a bad match up for Chun? You don't say!

Until Kuroda, MOV, Rikimaru, K.O., RX, Deshiken, Hayao, Match, Kokujin, and the rest of the 3s gods do something in SF4 or SF5, I will continue to hold the opinion that 3s has the shallowest talent pool of any fighting game out there.

Even on the US side, it is the exact same case! Who were the exclusive 3s players that were regarded gods/top tier? Pyrolee, 5 Star, Hsien Chang, KoFiend, are names that I can remember from back in the day. Pyrolee was considered undisputed best US 3s player. Where are all these guys? What have they done in other fighters? Where are their names in SF4? With the exception of Hsien Chang, none of the other guys have done anything of note in any other fighters or SF4.

I can't help notice a pattern with these 3s gods/top players. With the way 3s fanboys constantly proclaim 3s as the most skilled SF ever, you would think these skills would have major carryover to other SF/SF4 games, but I don't see their names anywhere.

The skill sets simply do not carry over. 3s may as well be classified as an anime game, since it's so different from traditional SF/fighters.

[Charismatic]

First of all, I never said 3s has no footsies. I said it has dishonest footsies, AT BEST. You can never really tell when top players are actually actively playing footsies. One moment it seems legit, then it's immediately followed by a random action that wouldn't make sense in any other fighting game.

Chun is top tier because she has too many ways to completely shut down rhythmic based nature of 3s.

This means you cannot approach Chun Li with the same mentality as you would every other character in the game. You cannot come at her with the mindset that if you can predict her, you can parry her and get in on her and play the game like you would vs all the other characters: in your face phonebooth offense.

This means Chun is a defensive monster. She is a defensive monster in a game that rewards/forces all the other characters to play offensive/rushdown. In short, Chun shuts down the very nature 3s is played. You cannot approach Chun with the mentality that you can rush in and just parry her shit and rush her down. Due to her defensive options, she is incredibly hard to parry/approach with this mentality.

b.Fierce cancel-able into lightning legs, option select parry into cl.RH cancel-able into super jump or lightning legs, AIR THROW, cr.MK > SA2, all make her super annoying to approach/rush down.

Offensively, she may not be as strong as the other characters, but she has the great equalizer in her stupidly overpowered kara throw. Her defensive option allows her to dictate and slow down the pace of the match. This is why 99% of Chun matches looks like Chun bullying her opponents to the corner. The way Ohnuki plays Chun perfectly describes her playstyle: she's a walking wall. The moment Chun gets her SA2, she becomes a different beasts because it allows her to constantly make her opponents flinch with the threat of kara throw/cr.mk into SA2 50/50. Her great walk speed also helps in this situation.

This is why she's top tier. Not because it's her overwhelming footsies ability LOL. That is inane. No characters have ever been SSS+++ tiers in any Street Fighters strictly due to their superior footsies in any SF history, and for you to suggest that one time it is the case, just so happens in a game that discourages footsies, is laughably misguided.

It's also funny you bring up Chun, but conveniently ignore Yun. Yun, the one character Chun loses to, and is also the culmination of everything wrong with 3s LOL. A character whose gameplay has no need for footsies, is entirely revolved around building his short ass bar to activate the single most overpowered SA in the game, is a bad match up for Chun? You don't say!

Until Kuroda, MOV, Rikimaru, K.O., RX, Deshiken, Hayao, Match, Kokujin, and the rest of the 3s gods do something in SF4 or SF5, I will continue to hold the opinion that 3s has the shallowest talent pool of any fighting game out there.

Even on the US side, it is the exact same case! Who were the exclusive 3s players that were regarded gods/top tier? Pyrolee, 5 Star, Hsien Chang, KoFiend, are names that I can remember from back in the day. Pyrolee was considered undisputed best US 3s player. Where are all these guys? What have they done in other fighters? Where are their names in SF4? With the exception of Hsien Chang, none of the other guys have done anything of note in any other fighters or SF4.

I can't help notice a pattern with these 3s gods/top players. With the way 3s fanboys constantly proclaim 3s as the most skilled SF ever, you would think these skills would have major carryover to other SF/SF4 games, but I don't see their names anywhere.

The skill sets simply do not carry over. 3s may as well be classified as an anime game, since it's so different from traditional SF/fighters.

You stepped on your own toes like 5 times in this post and just bringing this back up because you apparently also forgot where you said it doesn't have footsies. Oops.

The game requires zero knowledge of footsies because parrying meant anybody could get in at anytime

LOL the video demonstrates exactly my point. Two dudes seemingly hitting buttons and jumping at will, with no thought or planning into what they are doing. No care or worry about footsies or spacing. Dudes are literally just hitting buttons til they can get meter for Aegis.

Yes, I'm well aware this is how 3s is played, even more so when it's a Urien mirror. But this isn't Street Fighter, and the skills needed for this game, do not translate to any other Fighting game, nevermind Street Fighter. The skill ceiling and fight IQ for 3s are just simply two tiers lower than that of SF4.

I'm just gonna leave it at that. You don't even agree with you so I definitely don't need to put in my two cents and keep muddling this further. If you want to continue to argue the point, send it to my PM box.

[Damane]

i cant wait for this game 2016 is such a long time ._.

[Merovingian]

Theres a 1.214gb update for sf5 wonder if they are going to restart the beta soon

[Krandor]

Apparently some people can get into the beta right now, might be hearing something very soon.

[Ratatapa]

I seem to be on

Well at least I can enter the practice mode?


Edit : got kicked after 15 min

[The Blackrose]

[Vandole]

aka combofiend trying to come up with a way to beat alucard

[Nitsuki]

So... I got in for about 15 min and cammy and birdie are once again locked. at least i got in on the very first try!

[Ratatapa]

I tried to stream to show the world how shit i was, and Capcom block streaming straight from the PS4

[Krandor]

So yeah

Currently in the beta and getting matches every minute or so.


Aaaand it's down. Got some good matches in though. Unless something changes don't think I'm playing Bison in this version.

[Ratatapa]

How do you activate he specials? Playing ryu and it seems( since I'm not sure how to do it) that the super hadoken activate randomly

[Krandor]

Double Fireball motion+ Punch (or Kick depending on the character)

[Ratatapa]

Double Fireball motion+ Punch (or Kick depending on the character)

Thanks haven't won a round yet but working on it

[Callisto]

lag is pretty cheeks in what I got to play tonight but I was also getting matched with people from other countries

[The Blackrose]

Some of the rollback situations are really fucking hairballed. Talking like clearly having hitstun and the next split second, they're mashing out jabs or shorts.

[Deathbringer]

Canceled lolgamestop's pre-order and did PSN's instead. Barely had about 45 seconds-1 minute before a match que'd and I get bodied free 3 times before I get 1 win.

[Thulius]

Some of the rollback situations are really fucking hairballed. Talking like clearly having hitstun and the next split second, they're mashing out jabs or shorts.

This is always the case with bad connections on rollback netcode. It's the worst.

[The Blackrose]

Stress test's back up