Dragonball Z (2015)

[Virg]

Man, I really hope they don't turn Beerus into a snitch though, I'm loving the "keep this shot under wraps" atmosphere they've had so far.

Naw Beerus is way to scared that All-Chan is going to fuck him up if he gets word of what´s been happening. Actually I think if All-Chan really shows up Goku will probably take responsibility for what happened to cover up for Beerus and the others. Or Trunks cause he´s the one who originally started all this time travel madness.

[Tyrath]

He doesn't need to snitch. Goku has a button to call All-chan.

[Salodin]

Well that's the thing, they've written so many outs to this arc. Beerus can snitch for help cause fuck dude, Zamasu straight genocided the Kais, and by extension every other diety (why every one is basically tied to the supreme kais life is beyond me). Or Goku can push a button. Either way, All-Chan shows up.

Or, fusion undoes immortality and they wreck him in any of the previous posts fashion. Or Mafubu. Its amazing, well done, and enables me to just sit back and enjoy the ride as what is probably my favorite Dragon ball arc ever. I don't feel bad for saying that.

[BWYuko]

Or the variety of the outs are red herrings meant to keep us guessing, and Toriyama will provide us another of his classic comedic left turns like Oolong's wish, Yajirobe's sword, Satan's plea, etc.

[Tyrath]

Well I think Goku accidentally calling All-Chan would fit in the comedic sense. Everyone other than Vegeta would probably be like why didn't he just do that in the first place.

[Cream Soda]

There's been nothing to show that Zeno is capable of traveling throughout the timelines.

So unless the button works for the Zeno of that timeline, I don't see that happening (and if there's only one Zeno why is he in one of the created timelines instead of the original one? because ours sure as hell isn't the original lol)

[Salodin]

There's reason to think it's the same All-Chan, since Black is the same OG Zamasu because his ring keeps him immune from GoD destruction. Beerus might not have been lying when he said a god killing a god is different then what mortals do.

[Eurell]

There's reason to think it's the same All-Chan, since Black is the same OG Zamasu because his ring keeps him immune from GoD destruction. Beerus might not have been lying when he said a god killing a god is different then what mortals do.

I'm still confused by this though. He isn't immortal. And he was still Zamasu when Beerus killed him. So he made 0 wishes and didn't start going through time yet. Why couldn't Beerus kill him?

[Tyrath]

I'm still confused by this though. He isn't immortal. And he was still Zamasu when Beerus killed him. So he made 0 wishes and didn't start going through time yet. Why couldn't Beerus kill him?

I think he said something like he had the time ring so it kept the timeline from being changed when Beerus killed the original Zamasu. He was dead but everything he had done in other timelines remained.

This actually could be part of the spoilers that were listed about "something happening" with the time ring.

[Salodin]

The timering basically gives him immunity from past changes. He says as much in the episode after Beerus kills Zamasu. He remembers it and everything, but the ring protects him so I guess we're to imagine Black having his memories, and memories of another identical timeline sans him actually succeeding in killing Gowasu. Not a big change except for what, two minutes before Zamasu died any ways?

[Cream Soda]

There's reason to think it's the same All-Chan, since Black is the same OG Zamasu because his ring keeps him immune from GoD destruction. Beerus might not have been lying when he said a god killing a god is different then what mortals do.

Well that still makes it weird, because it's specifically "when a God kills a God" but not "When a God dies"

Because lets take Shin for example. Our Supreme Kai was killed by Dabura, yet would continue to exist in our timeline when we get to the point/time where that happened.

Not only that, but we obviously see Black and Zamasu existing at the same time. So each timeline does have their own Zamasu. Which would mean each has their own Beerus (who died in Trunks timeline when Shin did) and so on and so forth. Nothing has been even implied to show that Zeno is the sole exception to this rule that effects every other being in the series

[Salodin]

Do both Zamasu have a time ring?

[Tyrath]

No. The Immortal one is of that timeline.

[Xno Kappa]

This isn't Oscar-level writing nor complex Evangelion nonsense lol. The moon runes on All-chan's shirt literally translates to "King of All." No deep explanation is required for him to show up. It's an easy conjecture that requires no more thought than a rice cooker sealing a demon king.

[Cream Soda]

Yea, but people are just assuming he is though to the point where they're stating it as fact (especially over on reddit)

Edit: and He's introduced as "the one who stands on top of all 12 universes" If he were to rule all 5 timelines, then he'd be standing on top of 60 universes, not 12.

That alone is enough for me (until shown otherwise) that there's not a single Zeno that is across all 5 timelines

[Salodin]

Just cause there's more timelines doesn't mean there's more universes. But then it becomes a semantics argument and I ain't doin that.

[Tyrath]

It seems obvious to me that there would be only 1 zeno because Zamasu claims to have killed all the gods and I highly doubt he could've killed All-Chan.

[Salodin]

He can't afawk, Beerus says All-Chan is on another level, like how Beerus was at another level compared to Zamasu. Don't forget, we haven't met a single person who can defeat a GoD. Black has been fortunate in that he killed the Kais without facing GoDs, cause we have zero evidence suggesting he would have survived.

[Cream Soda]

we haven't met a single person who can defeat a GoD.

Whis (stated by Toriyama himself that if Beerus is a 10, Whis is a 15) *cough* Vados (claims to be slightly stronger than her brother) *cough*

[Cream Soda]

It seems obvious to me that there would be only 1 zeno because Zamasu claims to have killed all the gods and I highly doubt he could've killed All-Chan.

Which brings up another issue though. Our timeline isn't the main one. (Cell's should be; the one where Cell kill Trunks and stole his time machine), so if there's only one, why the hell would he decide to go live in our fake timeline of all 5.