Dragonball Z (2015)

[TummieGaruda]

I don't think Dragon Ball will get that complicated, not since Cell and the mess of timelines created there, which I believe has two additional timelines (totalling 4) which appear to have been scrapped.

I just want to know what universe 10 has to do with anything.

I don't know, I just have this weird feeling that they are going to try to pull the bootstrap paradox and go to see the Kai in universe 10 and he gets the idea of taking over Goku's body and goes to the future with the time ring and fuses with Goku's dead body or tricks him in the spirit realm.

[Tyrath]

I somehow don't see future timeline's spirit realm being shown at all.

[Virg]

Wait, wasn´t the future timelines's spirit realm destroyed with the death of uhhh...the Kai? I´m pretty sure remembering that if somebody dies in the future time line they´re dead for good since there is no spirit realm and no Dragonballs anymore. I might be completely high though and making all this shit up. Really not sure.

[Robertfb]

Wait, wasn´t the future timelines's spirit realm destroyed with the death of uhhh...the Kai? I´m pretty sure remembering that if somebody dies in the future time line they´re dead for good since there is no spirit realm and no Dragonballs anymore. I might be completely high though and making all this shit up. Really not sure.

Not sure the Kai were destroyed at all in the future timeline since the Android invasion would only affect Earth, which is the only real difference that Future Trunks Timeline had compared to the normal one at the time.

[Tyrath]

Not sure the Kai were destroyed at all in the future timeline since the Android invasion would only affect Earth, which is the only real difference that Future Trunks Timeline had compared to the normal one at the time.

Well he's stated theres no dragonballs so no one can be revived. Whos death causes that? Piccolo?

[Xno Kappa]

Damn. Some of the parts of this last episode kind of hit home with me. Poor Trunks. Dude is always having to deal with bullshit left and right with little to no help.

Kind of surprised Future Bulma never made plans for a return trip to their new Planet Namek. Yeah Earth dragonballs are gone, but there's the Namekian ones lol. That was the whole motive for the Freeza saga lmao.

[Tyrath]

Well based on how it took her a year to gather energy it took present Bulma 1 day, I imagine she's lacking resources.

[Robertfb]

Well he's stated theres no dragonballs so no one can be revived. Whos death causes that? Piccolo?

Yeah, this was back when Kami/Piccolo were separated so when Piccolo died, Kami died too and Earth then had no more dragonballs, it would have no effect on Spirit Realm since Kami only traveled there and had no real effect on it.

[Robertfb]

Damn. Some of the parts of this last episode kind of hit home with me. Poor Trunks. Dude is always having to deal with bullshit left and right with little to no help.

Kind of surprised Future Bulma never made plans for a return trip to their new Planet Namek. Yeah Earth dragonballs are gone, but there's the Namekian ones lol. That was the whole motive for the Freeza saga lmao.

They stated back in the Cell Games Saga when Goku was going to find a Namekian to re-create the Dragon Balls that New Namek was on a new planet that they had no clue where it was, so Goku had to go to King Kai's place to have him find them then had to Instant Transmission to them, so there was no way for Bulma to find out where the Namekians were to use their Dragon Balls since everyone but Gohan/Trunks was KO'd.

[DrClout]

Speaking of King Kai... what a dick. Knew all that stuff was happening and didn't even try to send for help or anything.

[Dantrag]

King Kai doesn't even seem to exist in the future realm. Maybe something with his death?

[DrClout]

He SHOULD still be alive and well since Goku never killed him there.

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[Robertfb]

King Kai and the others should be alive, none of the Cell Saga happened in Trunks Timeline, think of it being basically this: Everything up to Frieza Saga ending > Goku Comes Back > Goku Fights Frieza > Goku kills Frieza > Goku dies from heart virus 3 years later > Androids appear and destroy all the Z Fighters > 10ish yrs later Gohan gets killed by Androids leaving Trunks alone > 6ish years later Trunks goes back in time to save Goku > Trunks comes back with New Powers and kills Androids and Cell > Trunks defeats Babidi and henchmen many years later and stops Buu Revival > Black appears.

Edit: Changed to be accurate,

[BWYuko]

I know this makes me a pedantic fuckwad, but...

...Trunks comes back with SS2 and kills Androids and Cell ....

This is wrong, I hate myself for knowing why it's wrong, so understand that saying this brings me no pleasure. Fuck this gay earth, here goes.

When the Cell saga ended, the known SSJ transformation hierarchy was as follows:

SSJ1 - OG spikey gold hair. The form Goku achieved to defeat Freezer-domo. Not enough to beat an Android 18.
SSJ1 Stage 2 - AKA "Ascended Saiyan" - The form Vegeta and Trunks achieve in the time chamber. An improvement over form 1 in every measurable way; Vegeta and Trunks use this to beat the snot out of Semi-Perfect Cell. Enough strength to damage but not vanquish Perfect Cell.
SSJ1 Stage 3 - The stronger, bulkier form that Trunks uses for holding hands. Cell chastises Trunks for not realizing this form slows him down considerably. Goku and Vegeta had also attained this form but consciously chose not to utilize it due to its glaring weakness.
SSJ2 - The new plateau, faster than Stage 2 and stronger than Stage 3. Gohan was the only one to achieve this form by saga's end. In last week's DBS, seeing that Gohan had thrown this all away and become a family man in the immediate wake of losing everything he ever loved probably made Trunks want to become the ultimate an hero of our time.

So, even after spending a 2nd year in the time chamber, Trunks could only manage bulking up to Stage 3, so he wisely chose to further hone Stage 2.

Shortly after Gohan defeats Perfect Cell, Trunks returns to his timeline and immediately dispatches Androids 17 & 18, then a hapless Imperfect Cell 3 years thereafter -- all in Stage 2.

Therefore, when Goku commented two episodes ago how impressed he was that Future Trunks had obtained SSJ2 and slain Dabura and Babidi of his own accord in the lost years, it was a "reveal" of Trunks' progress after we last saw him blast Future Imperfect Cell as Stage 2 in 1993.

Edit: Am disgusted with myself.

[Robertfb]

I know this makes me a pedantic fuckwad, but...



This is wrong, I hate myself for knowing why it's wrong, so understand that saying this brings me no pleasure. Fuck this gay earth, here goes.

When the Cell saga ended, the known SSJ transformation hierarchy was as follows:

SSJ1 - OG spikey gold hair. The form Goku achieved to defeat Freezer-domo. Not enough to beat an Android 18.
SSJ1 Stage 2 - AKA "Ascended Saiyan" - The form Vegeta and Trunks achieve in the time chamber. An improvement over form 1 in every measurable way; Vegeta and Trunks use this to beat the snot out of Semi-Perfect Cell. Enough strength to damage but not vanquish Perfect Cell.
SSJ1 Stage 3 - The stronger, bulkier form that Trunks uses for holding hands. Cell chastises Trunks for not realizing this form slows him down considerably. Goku and Vegeta had also attained this form but consciously chose not to utilize it due to its glaring weakness.
SSJ2 - The new plateau, faster than Stage 2 and stronger than Stage 3. Gohan was the only one to achieve this form by saga's end. In last week's DBS, seeing that Gohan had thrown this all away and become a family man in the immediate wake of losing everything he ever loved probably made Trunks want to become the ultimate an hero of our time.

So, even after spending a 2nd year in the time chamber, Trunks could only manage bulking up to Stage 3, so he wisely chose to further hone Stage 2.

Shortly after Gohan defeats Perfect Cell, Trunks returns to his timeline and immediately dispatches Androids 17 & 18, then a hapless Imperfect Cell 3 years thereafter -- all in Stage 2.

Therefore, when Goku commented two episodes ago how impressed he was that Future Trunks had obtained SSJ2 and slain Dabura and Babidi of his own accord in the lost years, it was a "reveal" of Trunks' progress after we last saw him blast Future Imperfect Cell as Stage 2 in 1993.

Edit: Am disgusted with myself.

I fixed it, ty, I assumed Ascended Saiyan was SS2, now I know and knowing is half the battle!

Edit: Wait a minute, doesn't Goku in his demonstration to Buu show off SS2 and claims its what they call "an Ascended Saiyan"? Or is Goku just off his rocker?

Edit2: Ok, according to wiki its SS2 is just Ascended Saiyan, Third Grade, so they're all Ascended Saiyan forms.

[Seha]

The real question is when did Goku and Vegeta sit together to decide the names of their transformations?!

[Tyrath]

First one there gets to name it!

[Dantrag]

There was a SSJ stage 4 as well. That's the form that Goku and Gohan achieved where they were able to stay SSJ without losing stamina. It had the power of stage 2's power and speed but even less draw backs(again, didn't wear them out).

[BWYuko]

I always assumed they were just maintaining Stage 2 at all times, thereby negating the need to waste energy powering into it and thus mastering it.
Granted, they were certainly drawn differently than other forms when they emerged from the time chamber like that, so your claim has merit.

[The Stig]

Geez in my days it was just

SSJ (so in my view the "emerged" time chamber guys were just honed up SSJ rather than "SSJ v2/stage2/whatever)
USSJ (fat ssj)
Full Power/Master SSJ
SSJ2
SSJ3

GUYS DON'T FORGET THE "FALSE" SSJ IN MOVIE 3
edit: and throw in Broli Saiyan hax in there too while we're at it. "Legendary"

also don't be disgusted with yourself. it's not a true DBZ discussion if we didn't go through this list again, and/or argue about power.