The New Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) Thread

[archibaldcrane]

Also, those people aren't protesting the TPP lol. The TPP has nothing to do with Germany.

[Cantih]

It's the TTIP, which is essentially the Atlantic version of the TPP.
It would be nice if posters were a bit more accurate when they write things so these useless side arguments don't happen in the first place.

So yes, a detail wrong, but the fact of the matter is the people are out in numbers against something much like and as nasty as the TPP, so there is a significant relational point.
MOVING ON.

[notorious bum]

Yeah, I knew it was TTIP, that was typo from having talked about TTP nonstop this past week.

Man, ever since black people turned on Bernie you are on full time blast mode.

It's impressive dedication.

Must've missed my history of posts that included BAR articles, then. Despite popular opinion on MMM, there's plenty of black folk out there that are up on NOI foolery, including old school "He-man woman-hater club" speeches that you can still hear 20 years later.

[Ragnus]

http://donthatethegeek.com/oh-no-geeks-trouble/

Might be really old news, but the TPP has wording it in that would kill the Fair Use Act.

[6souls]

This act is going to kill creativity as a whole.

[kuronosan]

BUT IT WILL CREATE JOBS

[Qeomash]

IN...NOT AMERICA!

[Cantih]

Full text is now officially public.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...been_released/

[Odesseiron]

So there's people a whole lot smarter than me on reddit and BG, I have no shame in admitting that. Couple questions.

When this thing comes into play, it sounds like they're going to do witch hunts at a Napster at its heights scale. I know stuff has been said about it being on a more commercial scale, but browsing the reddit thread today, looks like it will be on a far smaller basis which I expected. Initial fear mongers and stuff will be paranoid (rightly so, I think) for sure.

So let's say somebody is using a seedbox located in the Netherlands. Then after the download is complete and we transfer the data to our PC, we use a VPN. Is this a way around it? I realize all the data packets are there and they can put 2 and 2 together to figure out what it is. But if the VPN/Seedbox servers are in countries that are not a part of it, how is it affected? Can they just go in and say "Hey we need your info cause we want it under the TPP?" And Company Y can say "Fuck off, we're not a part of that?" or is that unrealistic?

[Byrthnoth]

I'm generally in favor of what I know of the TPP from a strategic / economic standpoint. My impression is that many of our mobile, low skill manufacturing jobs have already fled overseas and our remaining manufacturing industry primarily relies on automation (which is why its 4% of our employment is responsible for 18% of manufactured goods globally.) If someone was building a massive, automated manufacturing facility, the US still wouldn't be a bad choice due to our business-friendly government paired with cultural and economic stability.

The IP stuff kinda worries me, but will it actually change anything? It's 74 pages long. Can I get a tl;dr?

[Cantih]

We already have a thread for automation and it's side effects
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/121...ism-quot/page3
though yeah, it should probably be renamed to "The Robots are Coming" or something.

[BaneTheBrawler]

good call, i forget about some of the various threads we have. sec.

[BaneTheBrawler]

mkay, thread split. also, perhaps i read it wrong, but i thought

Here's mine:

Fuck automation, and fuck you if you support it.

was the TL;DR Byrth requested. But idk.

Anyway, TPP. Go.

[Byrthnoth]

That wasn't a tl;dr of TPP's IP implications.

[Quicklet]

This should be a good start but obviously the EFF takes a position against the TPP (note that the leaked IP chapter this article is based on is essentially the same as the released version): https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/1...-all-we-feared

- Makes IP reform almost impossible because it exports and locks in current US policies (life + 70 years copyright for individual works, 70 years for corporate works)
- Bans DRM circumvention even in the case where no copyright infringement occurs
- Rightsholder privileges are binding, fair use provisions and consumer rights are non-binding
- Anti-whistleblower provisions

Basically this is a massive gift to corporations and does terrible damage to the average consumer, to small businesses, and to anyone who doesn't wield the power or wealth to take advantage of these provisions.

[BerenTebogo]

mkay, thread split. also, perhaps i read it wrong, but i thought



was the TL;DR Byrth requested. But idk.

Anyway, TPP. Go.

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