December 10th Update Weaponskill Adjustments testing

[Sechs]

That's exactly what I was wondering about dasva. That my gearing priorities should be different when am3 is up, at least for ws, didn't go as far as to think about tp phase too but that works as well I guess.

[Foldypaws]

Me thinks people don't know what devalues means... DA isn't worthless but there is a hell of a lot of difference between going from 1 to 2 attacks per round and going from 1.8 to 2 which will often have a huge effect on choosing between DA and other stats

Me thinks that when you say " just thow(sic) out the DA armor pieces", you should be more clear then, because you should not, in fact, throw them all out, there are still slots where DA is more valuable than anything else you could get, even with AM3.

[dasva]

Me thinks that when you say " just thow(sic) out the DA armor pieces", you should be more clear then, because you should not, in fact, throw them all out, there are still slots where DA is more valuable than anything else you could get, even with AM3.

Maybe would have to see Sechs ws and I guess tp sets to really see differences. But with AM3 up the ws in question DA doesn't do a whole lot. Speaking of which I noticed the note for AM3 says can only proc once while DA can proc twice... is that correct?

[Foldypaws]

Maybe would have to see Sechs ws sets to really see differences. But with AM3 up the ws in question DA doesn't do a whole lot. Speaking of which I noticed the note for AM3 says can only proc once while DA can proc twice... is that correct?

AFAIK, yes. AM3 only gets checked for first hit, xA gets checked for both first and (if it normally exists), second.

So DA could proc twice for Drakesbane/Stardiver, but not for Camlann's.

[Sechs]

I'm sure everybody knew already about multihit potentially proccing on the first two hits of WSs but I didn't know about am3 being checked only on the first hit of a ws. How do people check for things like this? Do mote's spreadsheets take this into account?

[Byrthnoth]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/725...=1#post4806519

Motenten's spreadsheets do take it into account, iirc.

[Foldypaws]

I'm sure everybody knew already about multihit potentially proccing on the first two hits of WSs but I didn't know about am3 being checked only on the first hit of a ws. How do people check for things like this? Do mote's spreadsheets take this into account?

Not that hard to test once you have (certain) mythics. Easiest to see when you only have OaT, because then you use any 2+hit ws without xA and see if you ever get a 4+hit TP return (i.e. two OaTs). Given that this should happen ~ 16% of the time with the original 40% OaT, if you do say, 20 WS and never see a 4-hit TP return, you can be over 95% confident it's not possible.

(doing it with the Oa3 version takes a few more tests, as you need to check for a 5+hit TP return which is only ~12% likely. Still not hard. Conqueror and Vajra would involve more testing and math, but really there's no reason to assume they work differently.)

Edit: Technically now you'd also need to make sure you didn't have any Conserve TP.

[dasva]

I'd also expect each weapon to work the same sans the ranged ones though I could see them changing it as it leveled up albeit also not likely like how duration and number of hits changed. The testing Byrth linked only showed 8 of a 95 so probably the case but could use a bigger sample. Really a shame AM3 doesn't proc for ranged ws though... or on barrage or I think double/triple shot either