French Magazine "Charlie Hebdo" offices attacked by gunmen

[BerenTebogo]

I, for one, would much rather be muslim than french.

Just sayin'

[Tarage]

I just think that in all the hysteria about the fact that he's Muslim, it can be a bit overlooked that he's French.

It ain't the French part that caused him to shoot up people. They wave flags instead.

[archibaldcrane]

It ain't the muslim part that made him disaffected with French culture.

Note: the above has been my point for the past 3 pages, in case you missed it

[archibaldcrane]

And I think the "is Charlie Hebdo racist or not" controversy is getting too much play as well - let's not pretend that Charlie's satire is the make or break point for "will there be islamic terrorism in France" - I highly doubt these dudes were spending a decade planning jihad on a newspaper - Hebdo was just a visible target.

[notorious bum]

That soapbox article is a fitting example of how 9/10 Salon articles are, at best, click bait journalism, and, at worst, intellectually dishonest rants. You may continue to paint ME issues with the broad brush of Islamaphobia, it has worked so well for us, why not keep doing it? I think I'll side with the Pulitzer-winning journalists that spend their careers covering ME conflicts and culture, accompanied by a long history of failed foreign policies and coordinating nefarious bullshit that makes al-Qaeda look like amateurs.

Moving this along: F.B.I. Chief Criticizes Times on Qaeda Source
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us...?smid=tw-share

[Andalusian girls]

I just think that in all the hysteria about the fact that he's Muslim, it can be a bit overlooked that he's French.

this is plausible only bereft of context

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ncidents,_2014

the common link isn't baguettes; the lengths western liberaldom will go to render peripheral the nihilistic death cult that has gestated in the body of Islam are astounding.

[notorious bum]

Odd, I don't see drone strikes, tomahawk missiles, or depleted uranium-related deaths included in those acts of terrorism. Does France use baguettes to help fight illegal wars?

[thetruepandagod]

Pretty much. They weren't raised Muslim, much less to hate the West. France gave them ample reason to do so on its own. Islam just provided an avenue to lash out at a country that didn't really give a shit about them.

I just think that in all the hysteria about the fact that he's Muslim, it can be a bit overlooked that he's French.

It ain't the muslim part that made him disaffected with French culture.

You are insane or playing a stupid devil's advocate.

[kuronosan]

So tell us what long term proposals you have that would definitively end terrorism.

[Tarage]

It ain't the muslim part that made him disaffected with French culture.

Note: the above has been my point for the past 3 pages, in case you missed it

No, I'm pretty sure it is. And I'm pretty sure I ignored your "point" the last three pages because it's an insane one.

Oh, do tell me when you find a group of disenfranchised french youths who aren't muslim who go and shoot up an office because they did something to offend them.

[Kuya]

I think that independently of the motives behind this killing, I think it's pretty clear that France has a large inequality problem that seems to divide itself along ethnic lines.

It wouldn't surprise me if we're all interpreting this masacre based on what we each consider a priority. Some of us see the west playing age of empires in the middle east as problem, others see the fundamental problem of religious extremism, and others still see the problem as social inequality. The important thing is that all of these things are legitimate problems and are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

[notorious bum]

I think that's a fair statement, Kuya.

Some comics:

[Enkidu]

Maybe a little off-topic, but are there any secular muslim countries that didn't just inherit secularism from previous western rule? I'm just honestly curious, and I can't think of any. Instead it seems most secular nations slide towards theocracy as the muslim population increases, and it exemplifies the argument that islam is incompatible with secularism at it's core.

If it really is incompatible, I'm not sure how you really solve these problems peacefully without just giving in to movements like ISIS... I'm not saying that the actions of ISIS are justified by the quran (though I'm sure that argument could be made), but more that the creation of ISIS (an islamic caliphate) is not only supported by the quran, but demanded.

[Zeb]

So tell us what long term proposals you have that would definitively end terrorism.

FTL travel and colonization on other planets.

[BerenTebogo]

Then muslims just become spacenoids and start dropping asteroids.

Not a helpful solution rly.

[Charismatic]

Then muslims just become spacenoids and start dropping asteroids.

How long til my counterattack?

[Kuya]

An article that sums up the point Archie was making. It was also a very interesting read.

In my case, it began with a perceived sense of grievance, in particular, around the racism I was facing domestically, in my home county of Essex in England, and abroad with the genocide that was unfolding in Bosnia, which, if you can imagine a genocide unfolding on the continent in which you live, it has a very, very lasting impact on one's psyche.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/15/377442...-to-moderation

Also, you could probably use his story to blame hip hop for his terrorism if you wanted.

[Kuya]

On the flip side:

Pakistani police have clashed with crowds protesting over an image of the Prophet Muhammad published in French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

Religious leaders openly called for journalists at the magazine to be hanged, and several religious groups called for protests after Friday prayers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30848689

[Tyrath]

Gotta love that they plan around their Friday prayers at least.

But I guess according to Archie all these Pakistani protestors and religious leaders must actually be disenfranchised French youth in disguise.

[kuronosan]

No Kuya, you don't get it. They're being repressed. It's the West.

Gotta love that they plan around their Friday prayers at least.

But I guess according to Archie all these Pakistani protestors and religious leaders must actually be disenfranchised French youth in disguise.

You missed his point entirely.