Education Reform Thread

[NynJa]

Already said COVID doesn’t spread in schools and wants them all to reopen.

Not sure whats a stupider take: this one or the "bars can be open but last call at 10pm" implying that covid is only infectious at certain hours of the day.

[Lyltia]

Not sure whats a stupider take: this one or the "bars can be open but last call at 10pm" implying that covid is only infectious at certain hours of the day.

Are you being actively disingenuous, or do you really think that the reason behind the 10pm last call rule is that they truly believe it's more infectious after 10pm?

[Melena]

It's more why even have the bars open is his mind. Either they should be open on normal hours no restrictions, or shuttered until the pandemic is over. Doing these half ass sorta open but only until 10 thing is part of why this shit is still rampaging.

[Ksandra]

Here is his bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Cardona

* Doctorate of Education, so probably big on teaching theory / administration.
* Bilingual learning experience (increasingly relevant)
* Spent 2-3 years as a teacher
* Spent 10 years as a principal
* Worked as Commissioner of Education for a state

I think he is pretty qualified in general. If I was going to be contrarian, I'd say that the federal Department of Education is primarily a lending institution at this point and Biden should have picked someone with a finance background (perhaps from Fannie or Freddie). However, they committed to making it a teacher. I'm not sure whether the Secretary of education has an actual chance to affect teaching policy, which is what this guy seems most suited for.

I am not saying "only a teacher ever", but working ONLY for three years as a teacher is a huge red flag to say he was a terrible teacher and got out of the classroom asap. Keep in mind you have to be credentialed to be an admin, so he already planned the switch at minimum his second year. This is quit common bad teachers do. Because they spent so much time thinking they were going to be that great teacher, realizing they can't handle it, but don't want to leave education as feeling a failure, so do the next step: admin.

It's why the country is chalk full of admins who don't know wtf they are doing and have insane requirements they put on teachers to just "figure it out" because they themselves didn't know how to figure it out. Which is why they left the classroom.

Essentially, 3 year teacher-to-admins are the type to say: If a kid is behaving bad send him to the office, but don't send too many kids to the office, that means your management skills are poor, and watch this youtube video with bad kid actors to show you how perfectly this fake teacher keeps all the kids engaged and if it doesn't work figure it out for yourself why it doesn't work. I don't know what to tell you except don't send too many kids to the office.

Saying "nothing will change" in the Department of Education is the worst example of how badly shit has been normalized I can imagine. Nothing will change installing an actual educational administrator over Betsy fucking DeVos? Come on now.

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Just comparing him to Devos is extremely shortsighted. I would take a rock over Devos, but understand that the problem in education didn't remotely start with her, and is an issue both parties have sucked at for decades. Obama was pretty terrible about education, too.

[NynJa]

Are you being actively disingenuous, or do you really think that the reason behind the 10pm last call rule is that they truly believe it's more infectious after 10pm?

It's more why even have the bars open is his mind. Either they should be open on normal hours no restrictions, or shuttered until the pandemic is over. Doing these half ass sorta open but only until 10 thing is part of why this shit is still rampaging.

Melena knows whats up.

If the health officials deem it safe enough for the bar to be open with restricted capacity, then why does the bar have to close at 10pm? What happens at 10pm specifically that what was once safe in regards to covid is no longer safe to do at 11pm, or midnight, or 1am?

[Lyltia]

I agree that they should all be shut down and bailed out for the duration of the pandemic. Because our society is fundamentally broken, that's not going to happen.

That being said, I think the 10pm rule makes a lot of sense if you look at it as a shit compromise made by somebody being put in a really bad spot. They can't shut these businesses all the way down because the federal government won't support the businesses to the extent that they need and will actively call for people to protest and resist shutdown orders. As for 10PM? That's when most restaurants end dinner service. If you're still out past that time, you aren't there to eat, you're there to drink, and any nominal attempts to distance or follow the rules are going way out the window past that point. So, forcing them to close before that point can definitely help.

These officials are doing what they can with the shit hand they've been dealt. I don't think it's fair to shit on them for taking what measures they can, no matter how small. Remember that the local measures that seem half-assed are the extent of what's possible due to the federal, and in some cases state, governments actively undermining them. Would you rather they did nothing?

[archibaldcrane]

Ksandra

What if he was good at teaching but wanted to do something else

[Zealot]

Or what if he's an excellent administrator even if he isn't great in the classroom.

[archibaldcrane]

I do enjoy the "he couldn't hack it in the classroom but he wants me to be in the classroom"

[Ksandra]

Ksandra

What if he was good at teaching but wanted to do something else

In two years? Statistically speaking, very very rare.

[Salodin]

What if he was a good admin? Like, he worked at the school level for 13 years. That's a big deal.

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[Ksandra]

I would argue it is extremely rare at all to have someone in their first year be considered a good teacher, but you can have someone be a good first year teacher. If that makes any sense.

The learning curve and curriculum development is so extensive in the first couple years, but afterwards you can actually hone your skills as an effective one after that’s taken care of.

[Ksandra]

What if he was a good admin? Like, he worked at the school level for 13 years. That's a big deal.

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A good admin is someone who actually understands and can handle being in the classroom.

Not someone who’s first step is to say COVID is not a big deal get back into schools so we can do more testing.

That’s the sign of a bad admin.

Granted this is all new, but it’s not a good sign at all.

[Salodin]

But you're just making up that he's no good in the classroom. You have no idea if he is, you're just seeing his experience and making wild assumptions lol

For all you know he wanted a raise he never would get as a teacher and so he switched to admin. That's what my fiance is doing, as much as she loves being in the classroom.

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[Ksandra]

But you're just making up that he's no good in the classroom. You have no idea if he is, you're just seeing his experience and making wild assumptions lol

For all you know he wanted a raise he never would get as a teacher and so he switched to admin. That's what my fiance is doing, as much as she loves being in the classroom.

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No, I said it’s a huge red flag suggesting he was a bad teacher. And thus he’s proving it by not addressing teacher’s concerns at all.

[Gredival]

I'm not sure whether the Secretary of education has an actual chance to affect teaching policy, which is what this guy seems most suited for.

The ED can't really make anyone do anything technically because education is clearly a states matter, but it can condition federal funds on compliance. This is pretty much how modern federal education policy works, carrot and stick funding and penalties attached to federal dollars.

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[archibaldcrane]

No, I said it’s a huge red flag suggesting he was a bad teacher. And thus he’s proving it by not addressing teacher’s concerns at all.

Don't worry, you'll be vaccinated within a month of the inauguration, maybe before this guy is even confirmed.

[BerenTebogo]

In two years? Statistically speaking, very very rare.

Except for the many, many programs that offer college students loan forgiveness based on how many years they teach public school. Usually 2-5 from what I remember.

But besides all of those types of situations...

[kuronosan]

In two years? Statistically speaking, very very rare.

Plenty of doctors who are outstanding clinicians and quit after a few years.

So, maybe not very rare.

[Ksandra]

Except for the many, many programs that offer college students loan forgiveness based on how many years they teach public school. Usually 2-5 from what I remember.

But besides all of those types of situations...

For CA or Fed it’s 5 years, and needing to teach at a low-income schools, and that loan forgiveness is only for your credential loan. I have never heard of one that forgives your undergrad loan (certainly not the fed one), but I believe it could exist considering the teacher shortage.

But if you are going into teaching just to pay off a loan how good are you really gonna be at the job? Lol