Feminist Philosophy

[NynJa]

Perhaps I misunderstood the connotation of your post and though you were criticizing the author over his chosen questions.

[#686578]

Yeah you know what? Fuck this guy. He clearly has no fucking idea what he's talking about. Acting like "MEN GET OBJECTIFIED TOO!" then goes on to fucking objectify women.

He's saying it in an asshole way but he's saying men and women are equal. Both have to be pretty to get anywhere in reporting. What are you getting upset about?

[#686578]

We're talking about fucking rape, dude. Our bodies are constantly talked about as if they're just things left lying around for anyone to take. "Well, you left your wallet right there on the ground, clearly you wanted someone to take it" = "Well, you were wearing such a short skirt, seriously you must have wanted someone to fuck you." Men (as a whole) don't have to worry about their bodies being compared to inanimate objects like that. That's the kind of shit people use to fucking victim blame.

Yes, this guy is an asshole and talking like an asshole but women do this to men all the time as well. Think about every TV sketch where the rich cougar sexually harasses the pool boy, sometimes the story is that they want it sometimes the sketch evolves because the pool boy is gay, awkward, or for whatever other reasons is uncomfortable.

[Mazmaz]

The internet is full of men who hate feminism. Here's what they're like in person.

Really interesting to see the similarities between the rhetoric the men in the article use and the posters here. I had no idea how organized the movement to hate women really was. It's so discouraging to see them identify correctly many problems with current gender norms, and yet attribute them to completely unreasonable causes. The intersection between atheism, libertarianism, and MRA truly produces some of the most toxic masculinity I've seen.

Pretty much sums it up

Relating this all to Max in his apartment, I wonder what his girlfriend thinks of all of this.

"Do you talk to her about your views?" I ask.

"Uh. Not as such," he says. This is a peculiar construction for anyone, especially for someone with Max's instinct for putting others at ease.

"Are you afraid to?"

"No," he says, "No, of course not."

In the elevator a moment later: "I mean, don't get me wrong, she knows where I stand."

[GoggleHead]

I had no idea how organized the movement to hate women really was.

I really hope that's sarcasm, but I can never tell with you because Poe's Law is in full effect.

Do you genuinely believe there is a concerted effort to garner hatred of women in our society, or are you using colorful rhetoric for hyperbole?

[Teryu]

I think what Mazmaz is saying is that feminism's ultimate goal is to make all women so unlikeable that everyone hates them.

[Blubbartron]

The internet is full of men who hate feminism. Here's what they're like in person.

Really interesting to see the similarities between the rhetoric the men in the article use and the posters here. I had no idea how organized the movement to hate women really was. It's so discouraging to see them identify correctly many problems with current gender norms, and yet attribute them to completely unreasonable causes. The intersection between atheism, libertarianism, and MRA truly produces some of the most toxic masculinity I've seen.

Pretty much sums it up

You know what that intersection is called? Rational thought. He brings it up himself in the article - he's trying to have a debate based on evidence and rational arguments, not a debate of feelings, and the feminist side is utterly unprepared or flat-out incapable of doing so.

[Kuishen]

EDIT: nvm I don't want to want to know the answer to that

[Blubbartron]

I should add, I find it interesting how in that entire article, the author spent the entire time cutting down the people he was talking to, without offering any evidence or reason behind why the derogatory way he talked about them was deserved. When the guy he talked to offered detailed points on a particular topic, the author (several times) described it as a regurgitated mishmash of a few blog posts he had read a couple times. Basically suggesting the guy is incapable of forming his own opinion, and he was instead told to feel this way. Any time a compliment was paid, it was backhanded, usually suggesting he's some kind of unconsciously predatory monster just trying to convince people of his perspective through false charm.

I feel dumber having read it, and I'm sorry I bothered giving that website the hit.

[Koul]

You know what that intersection is called? Rational thought. He brings it up himself in the article - he's trying to have a debate based on evidence and rational arguments, not a debate of feelings, and the feminist side is utterly unprepared or flat-out incapable of doing so.

To add onto this, you can't really have a discussion or debate when the opposing side is told to just stfu because they're privileged and therefore can't have an opinion on the matter. Unless they agree. The whole check your privilege thing is fucking bullshit garbage that stymies conversation which is funny because it usually comes from people that are y'know "equality for all! everyone has a voice! blahblahbfuckityblah!" /eyeroll

[Mazmaz]

I really hope that's sarcasm, but I can never tell with you because Poe's Law is in full effect.

Do you genuinely believe there is a concerted effort to garner hatred of women in our society, or are you using colorful rhetoric for hyperbole?

It's going to come back around to that argument of intent vs. results and I don't see a point in repeating it. Just the fact that, I consider that a movement, even if it doesn't have an intent to hate women, results in taking away rights of women or preventing their equality, is a movement of hate against women.

You know what that intersection is called? Rational thought. He brings it up himself in the article - he's trying to have a debate based on evidence and rational arguments, not a debate of feelings, and the feminist side is utterly unprepared or flat-out incapable of doing so.

I liked this comment that someone in my group made:

I particularly enjoyed the way the author looked at the intersection between Atheism, Libertarianism, and MRA-ship. It's a set of stances that (together) are less about holding a belief than attacking one. Not to say that all people in one category belong to all three or are solely interested in attacking other ideologies, but the combination of the three seem to stem from (as the author aptly noticed) a belief that you alone are the last purveyor of reason in the world.

[Blubbartron]

Of course it's not about holding to a belief. Atheism isn't a belief. And a person who values logic, rational thought, and decisions based on evidence isn't going to be valuing "beliefs" in general. Belief is the antithesis of reason.

[Mazmaz]

You glossed over the most relevant part.

the combination of the three seem to stem from (as the author aptly noticed) a belief that you alone are the last purveyor of reason in the world.

Ironically, you probably think you're doing God's work.

[Gokku]

What in the Fuck are you talking about maz?

[Teryu]

He's trying to use reverse psychology of feminists to make people with common sense into the bad guys.

[Mazmaz]

You two going to contribute anything useful? No? Shocker.

The joke was that the men who intersect at atheism, libertarianism, and MRA, are the people who legitimately think they're the only ones with common sense.

[Blubbartron]

You glossed over the most relevant part.


Ironically, you probably think you're doing God's work.

No, I don't. I think I'm one of the shockingly few rational people in the country. All you have to do is look at a Gallup poll to see that rational thinkers are the minority. Between creationists, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, and generally ignorant or outright anti-science people,the irrational hordes are fucking stacking up against logic and reason.

The bit you quoted is an example of the correlation/causation fallacy. Do these people likely feel terribly alone? I'm sure they do, because they pretty much are. Just being an atheist makes you a despised and untrusted minority in the U.S. Acknowledging that men very often have it worse than women, and being willing to call out the people who try to claim otherwise despite the evidence only further decreases your popularity. Most people think libertarians are crazy thanks to Ron Paul and his fanatics. But again, the point is that none of these common attitudes are evidence or rational arguments against those perspectives.

[NynJa]

OH GOODIE MAZMAZ IS BACK

Poopdeck can go back to being poopdeck instead of rational humans discussing things like rational humans.

[BaneTheBrawler]

I am watching, and I don't like what I see.

[Mazmaz]

No, I don't. I think I'm one of the shockingly few rational people in the country. All you have to do is look at a Gallup poll to see that rational thinkers are the minority. Between creationists, climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers, and generally ignorant or outright anti-science people,the irrational hordes are fucking stacking up against logic and reason.

The bit you quoted is an example of the correlation/causation fallacy. Do these people likely feel terribly alone? I'm sure they do, because they pretty much are. Just being an atheist makes you a despised and untrusted minority in the U.S. Acknowledging that men very often have it worse than women, and being willing to call out the people who try to claim otherwise despite the evidence only further decreases your popularity. Most people think libertarians are crazy thanks to Ron Paul and his fanatics. But again, the point is that none of these common attitudes are evidence or rational arguments against those perspectives.

So glad to see all that "victimhood complex of feminists" stuff was just a projection for you!

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Only one of these movements is based upon reality, and ironically, those who cry for logic and reason and evidence, are so quick to dismiss all those things when they're actually based on reality.