Feminist Philosophy

[Andalusian girls]

I am not sure what you mean are you disagreeing with what I said? Are you saying that I set up a strawman argument or destroyed one? Can you clarify please.

i was agreeing, and pointing out the simple goal you articulated is the desired endpoint of feminist critique

[zoobernut]

i was agreeing, and pointing out the simple goal you articulated is the desired endpoint of feminist critique

Thank you for clarifying.

[Sepukku]

I fully acknowledge this is only partially related but I suspected if I made its own unique thread it'd end up getting pushed in here.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/...lleges-/npgMk/

The article I read was about Pittsburgh universities but the general overall issue is what concerns me. Colleges report their crimes, including but not specifically just rapes, and immediately female activism groups accuse colleges of lying and saying there's rapes when the college disclosed there wasn't any. Do some rapes go unreported? Yes. But colleges can only report what is reported to them and to immediately accuse colleges of not reporting rapes that were in fact reported to them is an institutional equivalent of false rape claims. If the activism groups and representatives said, 'We suspect this may be an example that we have further work to do in encouraging victims to speak up' that'd be cool but instead the response was that these numbers "defy reality" and colleges were quickly prompted to comment on the accuracy of their numbers.

[Byrthnoth]

Googling "reporting rape at <pittsburgh college name>" got me these pages:
http://www.share.pitt.edu/get-help/r...exual-violence
https://www.cmu.edu/police/reportingacrime/index.html & http://www.cmu.edu/policies/administ...l-assault.html
http://studentlife.rmu.edu/rmu-couns...estic-violence
http://www.duq.edu/life-at-duquesne/...egrity/assault & http://www.duq.edu/life-at-duquesne/...iolence-policy & http://www.duq.edu/life-at-duquesne/...mation-for-men & http://www.duq.edu/life-at-duquesne/...revention-unit & http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/...ged-with-rape/
https://www.chatham.edu/campuslife/s...#sexualassault


Short of going out into the community and knocking on doors asking if people feel they've been raped lately, there's nothing more to be done. Idiots are just idioting.

[Gredival]

Good piece on how the victim politics wing of feminism is hurting feminism as a whole.

http://www.spiked-online.com/spiked-...omyoN.facebook

The problem with too much current feminism, in my opinion, is that even when it strikes progressive poses, it emanates from an entitled, upper-middle-class point of view. It demands the intrusion and protection of paternalistic authority figures to project a hypothetical utopia that will be magically free from offence and hurt. Its rampant policing of thought and speech is completely reactionary, a gross betrayal of the radical principles of 1960s counterculture, which was inaugurated in the US by the incendiary Free Speech Movement at the University of California at Berkeley. I am continually shocked and dismayed by the nearly Victorian notions promulgated by today’s feminists about the fragility of women and their naïve helplessness in asserting control over their own dating lives. Female undergraduates incapable of negotiating the oafish pleasures and perils of campus fraternity parties are hardly prepared to win leadership positions in business or government in the future.

....

As I have repeatedly argued throughout my career, sex is a physical interaction, animated by primitive energies and instincts that cannot be reduced to verbal formulas. Neither party in any sexual encounter is totally operating in the rational realm, which is why the Greek god Dionysus was the patron of ecstasy, a hallucinatory state of pleasure-pain. ‘Yes means Yes’ laws are drearily puritanical and literalistic as well as hopelessly totalitarian. Their increasing popularity simply demonstrates how boring and meaningless sex has become – and why Hollywood movies haven’t produced a scintilla of sexiness since Sharon Stone uncrossed her legs in Basic Instinct. Sex is always a dangerous gamble – as gay men have known and accepted for thousands of years. Nothing in the world will ever be totally safe, even the plushy pads of an infant’s crib, to which feminist ideologues would evidently wish to reduce us all.

...

Today, in contrast, too many young feminists want their safety, security and happiness guaranteed in advance by all-seeing, all-enveloping bureaucracies. It’s a sad, limited and childish view of life that I find as claustrophobic as a hospital ward.

[archibaldcrane]

Female undergraduates incapable of negotiating the oafish pleasures and perils of campus fraternity parties are hardly prepared to win leadership positions in business or government in the future.

This is a pretty gross line.

[thetruepandagod]

Would you approve of it if it was the autist college boy that didn't know how to close with a girl who would never win leadership positions.

Spoiler: show

Paglia is a nutter.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...camille-paglia

[Andalusian girls]

both lines are indicative of toxic masculinity, 'women it's your own fault if you can't manage to not get raped at a frat party' 'men your sense of worth and value is dependent on your sexual conquests', but, only one was said in that article. it's as though you were to come across the line fucking kykes and if someone objected were to say, well, if it said fucking spics would you approve of it

white knights so lacking in a personal identity they found one upon their y allosome and rush to defend all others so alleled are fast becoming a tiresome breed, so very tiresome. i mean identity politics are intellectually insufferable and barely stomachable coming from historically repressed groups

[Churchill]

Today, in contrast, too many young feminists want their safety, security and happiness guaranteed in advance by all-seeing, all-enveloping bureaucracies. It’s a sad, limited and childish view of life that I find as claustrophobic as a hospital ward.

[Ksandra]

I got excited at this:

it emanates from an entitled, upper-middle-class point of view.

As I believe that is 110% true.


And then the rest of the article went to shit.

[Marootsoobutsu]

I got excited at this:



As I believe that is 110% true.


And then the rest of the article went to shit.

Your disapproval assured me I would agree with most of it, and I was not disappointed.

[Karbuncle]

I agreed with every word before I saw that so theres that.

[BerenTebogo]

Would you approve of it if it was the autist college boy that didn't know how to close with a girl who would never win leadership positions.

Spoiler: show

Paglia is a nutter.
http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...camille-paglia

Anyone who think Taylor Swift is a bad doesn't have an opinion worth listening to.

[Ksandra]

Your disapproval assured me I would agree with most of it, and I was not disappointed.

Why?

I am not a feminist.

[Karbuncle]

Why did the article go to shit then, if you don't mind elaborating?

[Ksandra]

Why did the article go to shit then, if you don't mind elaborating?

I am continually shocked and dismayed by the nearly Victorian notions promulgated by today’s feminists about the fragility of women and their naïve helplessness in asserting control over their own dating lives.

I find feminists to be the exact opposite in trying to repress men to the point to force the tides turning where only women get to take any action in a relationship otherwise you are a sexist asshole.

Female undergraduates incapable of negotiating the oafish pleasures and perils of campus fraternity parties are hardly prepared to win leadership positions in business or government in the future.

I may not be a feminist, but trying to assume females need to learn how to kick a dick in so they don't get raped at a party will help them in their future jobs is just all kinds of stupid.

Neither party in any sexual encounter is totally operating in the rational realm, which is why the Greek god Dionysus was the patron of ecstasy, a hallucinatory state of pleasure-pain.

While I agree with the first part, using a Greek myth as a defense for anything scientifically is stupid.

‘Yes means Yes’ laws are drearily puritanical and literalistic as well as hopelessly totalitarian.

'Yes means Yes' is just stupid in the sense it can't be proven any more than 'No' means 'No'. And again, I think feminists goals are not to puritanize sex, but to put them in control of sex.

and why Hollywood movies haven’t produced a scintilla of sexiness since Sharon Stone uncrossed her legs in Basic Instinct.

1. I don't need dicks in my films in order to not feel like a feminist. Hell, I want less sex in my films not because I am a prude, but it takes away from the action. Think of how much has been removed from GoT to fit in HBO's criteria of having sex every 1.3 seconds.

2. Going off on GoT, the next era in sexiness for movies is not more straight sex, but gay sex. That is the new idea of a Sharon Stone shocker. Because it hasn't really been mainstreamed yet. And I would blame christian conservatives for that being held up over feminists.

Today, in contrast, too many young feminists want their safety, security and happiness guaranteed in advance by all-seeing, all-enveloping bureaucracies. It’s a sad, limited and childish view of life that I find as claustrophobic as a hospital ward.

This I agree with.

[Karbuncle]

Thanks, if yo don't mind, I want to respond.

I may not be a feminist, but trying to assume females need to learn how to kick a dick in so they don't get raped at a party will help them in their future jobs is just all kinds of stupid.

Edit: Misread. mmm, True in a way. I think what the author here was implying was that these women don't even have the capability to say yes or no to wanted or unwanted sexual advances and basic social mingling skills that its unlikely they would perform well in high stress debates or negotiations.

While I agree with the first part, using a Greek myth as a defense for anything scientifically is stupid.

Well, agreed.

'Yes means Yes' is just stupid in the sense it can't be proven any more than 'No' means 'No'. And again, I think feminists goals are not to puritanize sex, but to put them in control of sex.

Some, maybe, but I can't find any feminist consensus on anything except "The Patriarchy is the devil" so I think theres likely examples of both out there. Though I say that I can agree that I see feminists as more of control freaks in every regard.

1. I don't need dicks in my films in order to not feel like a feminist. Hell, I want less sex in my films not because I am a prude, but it takes away from the action. Think of how much has been removed from GoT to fit in HBO's criteria of having sex every 1.3 seconds.

2. Going off on GoT, the next era in sexiness for movies is not more straight sex, but gay sex. That is the new idea of a Sharon Stone shocker. Because it hasn't really been mainstreamed yet. And I would blame christian conservatives for that being held up over feminists.

I can't rightly say I disagree here, I don't personally need sex in my movies or games, if I want to see sex, I have the internet. Especially in video games, it just makes me wildly uncomfortable. Like say, playing the Witcher 3 and then boom, Sextime. K, I want monsters back, this is weird, people are near me.

That said, definitely still believe these things should be up to the discretion of the creator, I have the choice to ignore them after all.

[Thunder]

Edit: Misread. mmm, True in a way. I think what the author here was implying was that these women don't even have the capability to say yes or no to wanted or unwanted sexual advances and basic social mingling skills that its unlikely they would perform well in high stress debates or negotiations.

Nah fuck that, don't give up this ground. It more than saying yes or no. Nobody gives a fuck about yes or no in a high stakes situation, be it high stakes because money or high stakes because sex

It's about communicating to others who you are, what you want, and persuading people to take seriously what it is you have to say - coincidentally this stuff is basically impossible for the typical feminazi chick or white knight guy. Honestly, if a bitch can't let a dude know she isn't having it, she isn't getting any leadership positions outside of some stupid gender equality council ever. That's pretty much the truth, and that doesn't mean they're bad people, or worse people. Just means they're not cut out for leadership or high stakes negotiating

[archibaldcrane]

Or maybe they just got really drunk

and of course you're implying that if she simply let him know she "wasn't having it" then he'd stop

pretty fucked up post all around, I give it an F

[Ksandra]

I think what the author here was implying was that these women don't even have the capability to say yes or no to wanted or unwanted sexual advances and basic social mingling skills that its unlikely they would perform well in high stress debates or negotiations.

Serious question:

Do you honestly think the vast majority of rape cases are a result of women not articulating well enough that they didn't want it?