Feminist Philosophy

[Andalusian girls]

Or maybe they just got really drunk

and of course you're implying that if she simply let him know she "wasn't having it" then he'd stop

pretty fucked up post all around, I give it an F

don't forget the generic female is called a bitch and the generic male is called a dude

outstanding work all around

[Thunder]

Or maybe they just got really drunk

and of course you're implying that if she simply let him know she "wasn't having it" then he'd stop

pretty fucked up post all around, I give it an F

Yeah, you're blatantly misrepresenting this

Obviously a drunk chick or a drunk president, or a drunk businessman or a drunk driver, or a drunk whatever the fuck isn't going to be a fair representation of themselves as assertive people

[Churchill]

Nah fuck that, don't give up this ground. It more than saying yes or no. Nobody gives a fuck about yes or no in a high stakes situation, be it high stakes because money or high stakes because sex

It's about communicating to others who you are, what you want, and persuading people to take seriously what it is you have to say - coincidentally this stuff is basically impossible for the typical feminazi chick or white knight guy. Honestly, if a bitch can't let a dude know she isn't having it, she isn't getting any leadership positions outside of some stupid gender equality council ever. That's pretty much the truth, and that doesn't mean they're bad people, or worse people. Just means they're not cut out for leadership or high stakes negotiating

Yeah but if a girl says she isn't having it then she'll just get raped anyway.

If she clearly communicates who she is and what she's about then she'll just get raped a bit later.

Basically, if a guy is asking a girl to have sex then she will be raped.

Welcome to liberal.

[Churchill]

I was actually raped last weekend because I had sex while drunk and if I'm drunk I can't give consent.

[dasva]

Serious question:

Do you honestly think the vast majority of rape cases are a result of women not articulating well enough that they didn't want it?

I think this depends on what you consider a case. Overall I'd say there is a big difference to the cases that actually go thru the police and go to trial than say the ones that pushed the whole California university yes means yes thing. Or for that matter just from the kinds of cases that have pushed for colleges to bypass the legal process and meat out punishment themselves in the first place

[dasva]

I was actually raped last weekend because I had sex while drunk and if I'm drunk I can't give consent.

I assume you are a dude if so then you are still responsible and in fact you are probably the rapist because reasons

[archibaldcrane]

Yeah, you're blatantly misrepresenting this

Are we not still talking about negotiating the "perils of a fraternity party"?

Because we are

so

alcohol

and rape

[Thunder]

Really doubt the people writing about frat parties have ever gone to them often at all. It isn't some term for a dungeon rape fest where every human interaction could mean the last of your anal virginity

If a girl who isn't completely inebriated can't communicate well enough to a guy who isn't completely inebriated and willing+about to violently rape her then I can predict with 100% certainty she isn't going to be working in high stakes negotiating positions later in her life

That's not that difficult a concept. Not everyone is a winner, not everyone gets an award

[Blubbartron]

Not everyone is a winner, not everyone gets an award

But... But... My self-esteem!

[archibaldcrane]

There's nothing worse than Blubb staggering in to try to spike Thunder's volleyball. It's just about the worst display BG has on offer, and that's saying a lot.

[Churchill]

libbin super hard right now

[Galkaeater]

While I agree with the first part, using a Greek myth as a defense for anything scientifically is stupid.

Its not scientific its philoshopic.
Apollonian and Dionysian is a literary/philosophical concept about the rational vs the irrational.

why go all fedoratippy at the mere mention of a greek god anyway

[Blubbartron]

Its not scientific its philoshopic.
Apollonian and Dionysian is a literary/philosophical concept about the rational vs the irrational.

why go all fedoratippy at the mere mention of a greek god anyway

I interpreted that sentence more like "look, this ancient people understood the basics of the human experience better than the infantile morons of today." Of course human behavior when seeking sex is irrational. And yeah, it can be a bit risky for a variety of reasons (not all necessarily wrong/bad).

[Ksandra]

I interpreted that sentence more like "look, this ancient people understood the basics of the human experience better than the infantile morons of today." Of course human behavior when seeking sex is irrational. And yeah, it can be a bit risky for a variety of reasons (not all necessarily wrong/bad).

And yet, rape was insanely rampant back then.

[Ksandra]

I think this depends on what you consider a case. Overall I'd say there is a big difference to the cases that actually go thru the police and go to trial than say the ones that pushed the whole California university yes means yes thing. Or for that matter just from the kinds of cases that have pushed for colleges to bypass the legal process and meat out punishment themselves in the first place

I did not mean reported cases. To me, if someone says they don't want it or try to physically resist, and are forced into it anyway that's rape. I don't consider drunk guilt to be rape unless it's like a date rape drug situation or something similar.


Your definition might be different than mine.

[Charismatic]

I was actually raped last weekend because I had sex while drunk and if I'm drunk I can't give consent.

Shouldn't have been male, see what happens when you are? Not only do you get raped offline... you get it online too. smh fam.

[Thunder]

Can't read the same things with everyone having a different definition of rape. We all know (or should) what that meant. And we all know what rape means today

Obviously a secluded girl isn't going to be able to reliably talk her way out of a much bigger and stronger person violently attacking them

But most 'rape' (the type that happens to 1/4 college girls - thanks obama) at frat parties isn't like that sooo we're going back to the coerced, lied to, tipsy, guilty sex stuff. Which, yeah, clear as day. If that girl wasn't honest with her wants/desires and/or was unable to assert herself as a person it's very obvious she's not going to go into high stakes-anything

[Charismatic]

If that girl wasn't honest with her wants/desires and/or was unable to assert herself as a person it's very obvious she's not going to go into high stakes-anything

Jeb Bush in the debate tonight coming to mind as I read this.
Sure, he's no female but you know...

[archibaldcrane]

"Who you are at 19 is who you are at 38 and 57“

This is a nonsense argument, and furthermore the only reason to make it is to further devalue rape victims. It's completely disgusting.

Welcome to the feminism thread I guess.

[Thunder]

"Who you are at 19 is who you are at 38 and 57“

This is a nonsense argument, and furthermore the only reason to make it is to further devalue rape victims. It's completely disgusting.

Welcome to the feminism thread I guess.

Actually, feminism did that all on its own by turning everything into rape

so now when we talk about rape we're talking about 1/4 women

I'd be more than happy to agree that my previous statements would have no merit if we actually took rape seriously; but rape is no longer exclusive to the violent physical overpowering and unwillful penetration of a person... so, welcome to the feminism thread indeed