Men v Women : Sexodus

[Gokku]

Haven't seen anything about these 2 articles or the video im about link.

How do people feel about this?

While i dont agree with all the points example *its all feminism fault* things, alot of the points are valid in just general daily life with friends and myself.

Discuss!

Sexudos Part 1 : Here

“My generation of boys is f**ked,” says Rupert, a young German video game enthusiast I’ve been getting to know over the past few months. “Marriage is dead. Divorce means you’re screwed for life. Women have given up on monogamy, which makes them uninteresting to us for any serious relationship or raising a family. That’s just the way it is. Even if we take the risk, chances are the kids won’t be ours. In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.

Sexudos Part 2 : Part 2

Sexual dysfunction is not unique to the twenty-first century—nor, certainly, to the West. Japan’s “herbivores”—men who shun sex and prefer saving money and going on long walks to riding motorcycles and flirting with girls—have been well documented and are regarded by social scientists as the best example of male sexuality turning in on itself.

But although the sexodus, a new retreat into solitude by Western males, has a different flavour to it and dramatically different aetiology from previously observed social crises, many characteristics are identical. And what’s troubling about men throwing in the towel in both East and West is the rapidity with which the malaise is spreading across entire generations, fuelled not just by sexual dissatisfaction but also the economic and educational pressures felt by so many young boys.

And for those to lazy to read heres a info wars video:


just a few quotes the authors published from random guys who wrote him.

Mark, 24: “Everyone I know feels the same. Your article spoke directly to us. We’re not all losers and nerds, we’re just normal guys who are either scared of being accused of terrible stuff by harpies or simply can’t be bothered any more. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I just can’t deal with hassle of women any more.”

Mickey: “I say no to the whole thing, even though I am very heterosexual and would like the intimacy of a relationship based on mutual respect. Well, I thought I did, but it’s been so long and the standard of behavior for women remains so low, along with my tolerance for dating bullshit, that it does not look like a realistic desire anymore.”

Francis, 28: “I’m an athlete. My parents have a lot of money. I have plenty of friends and a good social life. I don’t hang out with women any more. Occasionally I’ll have one night stands, but mostly I fill my time with other things. I got accused of molesting a girl at college and since then I’ve just thought, whatever. I play sports instead.”

Tilo, 20: “I don’t know for sure but your article sounds like me and a lot of my friends. I do furry stuff online in secret. I’d be horrified if my parents found out but it’s all that gets me off. Girls are a nightmare. I have a brother who’s ten years older and he feels the same. We’ve given up.”

Hector, 26: “I did stick to that social belief for a brief time thinking that the need for a serious relationship would come with the age, but it never happened and slowly I gave up. Today, a few hours before reading your article, I was having lunch with my mother and she kept talking about girlfriends and how I needed to get married, meanwhile I kept thinking ‘why would I waste my life with this shit?’, and it wasn’t until I read your article a few hours later, that I realised. And I don’t think it’s just my generation that is affected by this.”

*this shits gonna get locked once the shit slinging begins*

[Charismatic]

As of this moment, I don't have a lot to say on the subject 'cause I want to see where this thread goes before I really get into it.
What I will say is: Look at Japan.

Definitely don't want to end up, as a people, going that route... but I see it coming.

[Vandalhart]

I'll take a look at these when I get home.

[Darus Grey]

I think it's simple. Modern societies definition of "normal" does not meet the psychological and emotional needs of men.

As such, they look at the value proposition, and I'd say rightly, decline.

[Inshiya]

It's simple. We gave women sexual power and freedom. Now that they're no longer property, they've no interest in sexual monogamy at an early age as that gives up the vast social currency they possess for the first decade of their adult life.

Once they're ready to settle down, they've been through too many partners to be satisfied with a single male, and thus they're jaded, broken, and selfish. Their appreciation for their mate is tepid, their loyalty is fickle, and their contribution to the relationship is minimal.

The males as well get burned spending the first decade of their life dealing with women who use men like tissue paper and becoming increasingly isolated and emotionally guarded. By the time they're in their 30s and women are looking for that long term mate, they're uninterested. Why support these women? They've been hopping dick to dick for the last decade and now want you to treat them like the delicate flower? They're not getting as many bites as they were in the old dating pond, so they're looking for some poor sucker to buy the used car that's been driven harder and longer than he could ever imagine?

Dating is dead, women are terrible, and it'll never go back to the way it is.

[shepardG]

Everything that will be said about this subject will have an exact polar opposite. There are still men who enjoy fooling around with women (and i don't mean just sexually)

[Vandalhart]

Read the articles, here's a video that I saw recently that touched a little on this (At least I think it was this video):

http://youtu.be/vp8tToFv-bA

There was one that she goes back and explains a little about marriage and laws from Europe in the past.
Actually I think it's this one:

http://youtu.be/rlvMAS_20K4

Both are good listens.

She starts off saying a friend of hers posted an article about Men and marriage and she has a link in the description of the video. I haven't read it yet, btu I think I will today. There's also another one titled "It's Time for Woman to Woman up". I'll check that out also.

[tyven]

As of this moment, I don't have a lot to say on the subject 'cause I want to see where this thread goes before I really get into it.
What I will say is: Look at Japan.

Definitely don't want to end up, as a people, going that route... but I see it coming.

what do you mean by look at japan? idk anything about japan so this is a srs question. that herbivore thing i read in OP is the first time I heard that. I thought these niggas had panties in the vending machine. you can link something and i can read it if you dont feel like typing a big post.

yours truly,
tyven

[Gokku]

mind = blown if these figures are even CLOSE to correct its got to be even higher now....
two surveys of single men in their 20s and 30s found that 61% and 70%, respectively, considered themselves grass-eating men.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-p...herbivore-men/

i like the charts this dude used to break things down
http://i0.wp.com/voices.avoiceformen...ka-Table-1.png
http://i2.wp.com/voices.avoiceformen...ka-Table-2.png

[Sepukku]

That chart is absurd but there is an ounce of truth here regarding the direction women are going in western society, regardless if sometimes someone says it in a weird way

[tyven]

i have never seen the word sexudo before this thread. someone pls help because googling sexudo is a debacle

[Charismatic]

It should be Sexodus (like exodus)

[Gokku]

welp its not "growers vs showers" but can someone fix that typo for me

[Devia]

I think it's supposed to be sexodus?

[Lucavi]

Well, the planet thanks everyone who shuns procreating, that's for sure. A little population control ain't a bad thing from all these poor, maligned, life-starved men.

As for the individuals involved? I give no fucks. Whatsoever. Your choice is your choice, and how you feel about your circumstances is your choice.

[Arelian]

I can't help but wonder if there's an article of a similar nature where women can come forward and share their own experiences. Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in a situation like this because of the potential far-reaching consequences it could have. For instance, the Japanese "problem" isn't even rooted in gender equality. It's a far more nuanced problem that has more to do with economics and the fact that the current generation is one of the first that is not going to outperform the previous generation.

Why start a family when you're struggling to feed yourself? Why start a family when things look so bleak? Why bother dating when you can't do nice things for the other person because you can't afford it?

That and the idea that there's simply so much going and so many avenues to obtain emotional fulfillment, I wouldn't doubt that this looks the same on both sides of the spectrum. People are less interested in dating and settling down because there are other things to do that are far more interesting to that individual.

Also those charts are hilarious.

[Charismatic]

I can't help but wonder if there's an article of a similar nature where women can come forward and share their own experiences. Anecdotal evidence is pretty useless in a situation like this because of the potential far-reaching consequences it could have. For instance, the Japanese "problem" isn't even rooted in gender equality. It's a far more nuanced problem that has more to do with economics and the fact that the current generation is one of the first that is not going to outperform the previous generation.

Why start a family when you're struggling to feed yourself? Why start a family when things look so bleak? Why bother dating when you can't do nice things for the other person because you can't afford it?

That and the idea that there's simply so much going and so many avenues to obtain emotional fulfillment, I wouldn't doubt that this looks the same on both sides of the spectrum. People are less interested in dating and settling down because there are other things to do that are far more interesting to that individual.

This is only part of it. Gender differences are DEFINITELY also part of the problem for herbivore men.
I don't know how many Japanese guys you've actually spoken to but many of the ones I've talked to also feel that men, in general, get a raw deal when it comes to marriage (since they basically just give up their salary to their wives and let the woman decide how the money is spent in Japan) and relationships and feel its not worth the effort.

There's also a female response to this in Japan. Look up any info you can on the dried fish woman. Its mostly the same thing and started to happen after these so-called herbivore men became commonplace.

[tyven]

It should be Sexodus (like exodus)

ohhh thx, i thought the s was making it plural LOL

edit: DID NOT HELP MY GOOGLE SEARCH

[Lucavi]

^ I agree with your second major statement, but I believe its because there's no cost to any of those (to actually DO, not to deal with the consequence) as to why so many people do them. Popping out a kid is free, honestly. You fire some semen into a chick and in 9 months, there's a kid. Starting a family is cheap. Actually PROVIDING for a family is ludicrously expensive. Same with dating. Actually asking someone out and making out with them doesn't cost a cent. The reality of setting up those moments and working to maintain that privilege is, again, expensive.

Breeding and kissing is something that anyone can do, from serf to king. If you legitimately had to provide some sort of currency to breed, you wouldn't see so many children out of wedlock. Some people just want a family no matter what, but most simply want to fuck; a kid is a consequence of that fucking; "raising a family young" is a consequence of that. Obv. you have people who get pregnant as a power grab, but we'll try to stray from specifics.

[Gokku]

^ I agree with your second major statement, but I believe its because there's no cost to any of those (to actually DO, not to deal with the consequence) as to why so many people do them. Popping out a kid is free, honestly. You fire some semen into a chick and in 9 months, there's a kid. Starting a family is cheap. Actually PROVIDING for a family is ludicrously expensive. Same with dating. Actually asking someone out and making out with them doesn't cost a cent. The reality of setting up those moments and working to maintain that privilege is, again, expensive.

Breeding and kissing is something that anyone can do, from serf to king. If you legitimately had to provide some sort of currency to breed, you wouldn't see so many children out of wedlock. Some people just want a family no matter what, but most simply want to fuck; a kid is a consequence of that fucking; "raising a family young" is a consequence of that. Obv. you have people who get pregnant as a power grab, but we'll try to stray from specifics.

i think your missing the effects of things like, Internet dating vs pre internet dating.

Edit to expand.

OKC (okay cupid)

you've pictures info and the ability to message each other. You also have an identifier of how often the person your about to message responds vs the amount of messages they get ala green yellow red (i think its 3) Often / Selective / Very selective.

This leads to 2 issues , A. total shallowness ive seen it on both male and female sides it happens more online im guilty of it, and its easy to do behind a screen.B people being dissuaded before messaging *this is mostly a male issue as far as i know not one of my female friends who uses / used / online dating has ever had to message a guy*.