Men v Women : Sexodus

[Zetanio]

Girls initiate? Where are these unicorns?

[thetruepandagod]

Being ridden by attractive men.

[Xantavia]

Girls initiate? Where are these unicorns?

That is a very fair point. If a guy has been rejected most of his life, he is going to eventually give up. A single woman taking the first step would be a huge confidence boost. Alas, old fashioned ideas still run strong in the dating world (or so I hear).

[arus2001]

Last girl I hooked up with was the initiator, but she wound up being a certain level of cray cray who I suspected was cheating on me before I broke it off, anyway. I want to say they're out there, but at the same time, be careful.

[Not Kuno]

Idk, i think this explains it pretty well.

http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_look...e-Multiple.png

Not to say looks do not matter, but they matter less for men than for women. The most attractive women get A LOT more messages than the least attractive women, but that trend is much less significant for men.

Idk. OKCupid has a lot of interesting stats. My favorite being that women find 80% of men to be below average in terms of their attractiveness.

http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_look...ging-Curve.png

[wipers]

The problem with online dating is there is always a better profile/picture person etc. (same with dating in general) The entire business model is set up so that people don't have serious long term relationships. If you want to go on endless dates and feel alone. I recommend online dating.

Guess you could call it the "paradox of choice"

[Kuya]

Idk. OKCupid has a lot of interesting stats. My favorite being that women find 80% of men to be below average in terms of their attractiveness.

http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/your_look...ging-Curve.png

What i find more interesting is that females send less messages to more attractive males vs. medium and less attractive ones.

[Andalusian girls]

it's hard to be so beautiful

[hey]

What i find more interesting is that females send less messages to more attractive males vs. medium and less attractive ones.

That would be because there are fewer of them rated high.

[Senji]

What i find more interesting is that females send less messages to more attractive males vs. medium and less attractive ones.

How many messages do you need to say come rail me or fork out your number?

[archibaldcrane]

Thunder, you're doing god's work in here. Keep it up.

[Darus Grey]

I feel like this thread's course in and of itself is part of the problem. Everyone is super quick to blame the men, assert that they're basically losers, etc etc etc.

No one really(well, a couple posters have mentioned it), the value proposition aspect. Marriage and sex are high risk low rewards propositions for men in modern nations due to social norms. And for the most part, this isn't this generation of men's fault.

In a lot of the earlier feminist literature(most notably the feminist mystique) they talk about this at length, in the goal of empowering women in society we are by necessity minimizing the gender roles of men, and this is the likely result of that. Men now have lost their identity as a gender and have nothing suitable to replace it with, they're not required to fight and protect, to provide, to be the "risk taker" for the family.

Men have very defined gender roles in society, and well women are breaking out of theirs, it's troubling to me that we as a society don't recognize that men are still stuck in theirs.

[archibaldcrane]

If feminism has minimized the gender role of men, how are they still stuck in their gender role?

Your post contradicts itself.

[Salodin]

It's not hard to understand. In laymen, women don't need men for things, and now men are bored and aimless.

[Celeras]

What i find more interesting is that females send less messages to more attractive males vs. medium and less attractive ones.

The girls who actually send messages are generally the ones who don't receive them by the truckload. Therefore they are less attractive, and therefore generally try to stay within their own league. It's not really all that mystifying.

Everything can pretty much be broken down to the simple fact that there are far more men active on these things than women. For Men, that leads to sending a lot of messages just hoping to get a response. For Women, that leads to receiving a lot of messages hoping for one to be from somebody you're actually interested in. Once you're OK with that scenario it's really not that bad of a deal.. which is something I don't think the stats accurately reflect.

[Darus Grey]

If feminism has minimized the gender role of men, how are they still stuck in their gender role?

Your post contradicts itself.

I guess to be more specific, it minimizes the necessity of the role. No contradiction, as Salodin pointed out.

[Stilzkin]

It's not hard to understand. In laymen, women don't need men for things, and now men are bored and aimless.

I think the point is that the gender roles for men have not changed like they have for women. So men feel like they are suppose to be filling a certain role that no longer exists.

Simply saying that men are bored without their roles is missing the point that the focus is the idea of the role.

[Salodin]

I was trying to dumb it down, but you make a good point.

[Wulfgang]

Frankly, I think things are pretty great right now.

[Wulfgang]

It's simple. We gave women sexual power and freedom. Now that they're no longer property, they've no interest in sexual monogamy at an early age as that gives up the vast social currency they possess for the first decade of their adult life.

Once they're ready to settle down, they've been through too many partners to be satisfied with a single male, and thus they're jaded, broken, and selfish. Their appreciation for their mate is tepid, their loyalty is fickle, and their contribution to the relationship is minimal.

The males as well get burned spending the first decade of their life dealing with women who use men like tissue paper and becoming increasingly isolated and emotionally guarded. By the time they're in their 30s and women are looking for that long term mate, they're uninterested. Why support these women? They've been hopping dick to dick for the last decade and now want you to treat them like the delicate flower? They're not getting as many bites as they were in the old dating pond, so they're looking for some poor sucker to buy the used car that's been driven harder and longer than he could ever imagine?

Dating is dead, women are terrible, and it'll never go back to the way it is.

I can't tell if this is satire or serious; hoping the former, because the latter is crazy.