Men v Women : Sexodus

[Arelian]

This is only part of it. Gender differences are DEFINITELY also part of the problem for herbivore men.
I don't know how many Japanese guys you've actually spoken to but many of the ones I've talked to also feel that men, in general, get a raw deal when it comes to marriage (since they basically just give up their salary to their wives and let the woman decide how the money is spent in Japan) and relationships and feel its not worth the effort.

There's also a female response to this in Japan. Look up any info you can on the dried fish woman. Its mostly the same thing and started to happen after these so-called herbivore men became commonplace.

Oh yeah, it's absolutely partially to-do with gender roles as well. Like I said, it's meeeega nuanced and really can't be chalked up to any one thing. I've also heard that the dating scene is difficult because of western romance booming in Japan amongst younger women. Some men don't have a role-model to look to when it comes to woo'ing women.

Japan is a really unique circumstance since it's the culmination in a ton of things converging.

It's always important to remember that some people just aren't interested in romance and misconstrue it as something the other gender did to put them off. Aromantic and asexuality are a thing, we just have the means of having people scream at each other about it across the planet instead of staying in their own bubble.

[Charismatic]

Also, Gokku, I want to share this with you personally but I'd also like it to be in the thread since its tangentially related.
This video also gives you a view of the logic of men who are part of this "Sexodus".

JTO is a major player in the YouTube community for MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) and his views mirror much of what these men tend to believe so this'll give you some insight to what these men are thinking and saying.

[Lucavi]

i think your missing the effects of things like, Internet dating vs pre internet dating.

Edit to expand.

OKC (okay cupid)

you've pictures info and the ability to message each other. You also have an identifier of how often the person your about to message responds vs the amount of messages they get ala green yellow red (i think its 3) Often / Selective / Very selective.

This leads to 2 issues , A. total shallowness ive seen it on both male and female sides it happens more online im guilty of it, and its easy to do behind a screen.B people being dissuaded before messaging *this is mostly a male issue as far as i know not one of my female friends who uses / used / online dating has ever had to message a guy*.

As I said, I wasn't speaking on specifics. You're not incorrect, though, although again, I really don't care about it one way or another. Its easier for humanity to be assholes in a way that doesn't involve simply lopping someone's head off, raping their wife and burning down their house like in the Mongol days. This is correct.

[thetruepandagod]

what do you mean by look at japan? idk anything about japan so this is a srs question. that herbivore thing i read in OP is the first time I heard that. I thought these niggas had panties in the vending machine. you can link something and i can read it if you dont feel like typing a big post.

yours truly,
tyven

I got you bae

http://www.asianoffbeat.com/post/Jap...rgins-news-567

http://theweek.com/articles/453219/e...ulation-crisis

http://www.japantoday.com/category/k...t-all-bad-news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...aving-sex.html


There were some more statistics but i can't find them in a 2min search. Basically both japanese men and japanese women aren't fucking or dating. Lot's of male and female virgins even up into their 40's and something like 65% of men by the time they turn 30 had never been in a relationship and 43% of women hadn't. The stuff like panties in a vending machine goes along to reinforce how they are able to get by without engaging with the other sex at all, these nigga's got 3D waifu's, sex pillows, cuddle cafe's and hentai sold in coffee shops.

[wipers]

Hey at least it's a cheap date

[hey]

This thread is a good reminder of why i prefer not to date men.

[Charismatic]

Who cares?

[Milkster]

Who cares?

Wow, this.

This mostly sounds like men who have been jaded by women and are now writing off the entire sex. The extra Social Justice movement is most of the problem in treating men as the root cause of everything, no matter what they believe or do. Just because they were born with a penis. Even FtM transsexuals are getting hate because they're going to the dark side.

[tyven]

I got you bae

http://www.asianoffbeat.com/post/Jap...rgins-news-567

http://theweek.com/articles/453219/e...ulation-crisis

http://www.japantoday.com/category/k...t-all-bad-news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...aving-sex.html


There were some more statistics but i can't find them in a 2min search. Basically both japanese men and japanese women aren't fucking or dating. Lot's of male and female virgins even up into their 40's and something like 65% of men by the time they turn 30 had never been in a relationship and 43% of women hadn't. The stuff like panties in a vending machine goes along to reinforce how they are able to get by without engaging with the other sex at all, these nigga's got 3D waifu's, sex pillows, cuddle cafe's and hentai sold in coffee shops.

thx man

Takeshi re-entered society after four years, thanks to a government program that sends female outreach counselors known as "rental sisters" to coax the hikikomori out of the house.

i cant believe they actually need a government program for this shit, holy hell

[Gredival]

Fixed title to Sexodus instead of Sexudos

It's simple. We gave women sexual power and freedom. Now that they're no longer property, they've no interest in sexual monogamy at an early age as that gives up the vast social currency they possess for the first decade of their adult life.

Once they're ready to settle down, they've been through too many partners to be satisfied with a single male, and thus they're jaded, broken, and selfish. Their appreciation for their mate is tepid, their loyalty is fickle, and their contribution to the relationship is minimal.

The males as well get burned spending the first decade of their life dealing with women who use men like tissue paper and becoming increasingly isolated and emotionally guarded. By the time they're in their 30s and women are looking for that long term mate, they're uninterested. Why support these women? They've been hopping dick to dick for the last decade and now want you to treat them like the delicate flower? They're not getting as many bites as they were in the old dating pond, so they're looking for some poor sucker to buy the used car that's been driven harder and longer than he could ever imagine?

Dating is dead, women are terrible, and it'll never go back to the way it is.

Insofar as there is a discussion about how the sexual revolution and greater women's rights have and continue to change the dynamic of marriage, dating, and/or monogamy by altering what women seek in a relationship (and how men are responding to that) that's all valid discussion.

But we need quite a bit more before we can have conclusory allegations about one sex versus the other. Let's not forget that there are plenty of men who spend their twenties with no interest in sexual monogamy and long term sexual relationships. The fact is that some women are "catching up" and are proudly embracing non-responsibility for their twenties. Is it terrible to do so? Maybe. But no more terrible than what a lot of men have done for a long time.

[Uzor]

Never heard of the term, so let me see if I got this correctly:

Heterosexual men are swearing off women because of the way they've been treated by women - while said women have just been acting the way men have for a long time?

If that's the case, females really are the stronger gender... Seriously, since when can't people deal with rejection?

[Charismatic]

You guys are oversimplifying it by a lot.
Its like you read two sentences and form your conclusion from there.

No, that isn't what it is. You didn't get it correctly. Keep reading.

[Senji]

cuddle cafe's

Wow. Totally didn't know this was a thing.

[Koul]

what if we sent all our jaded alpha males to japan to woo the poor beta females with huge american penis

two birds with one stone

[BerenTebogo]

Everything that will be said about this subject will have an exact polar opposite. There are still men who enjoy fooling around with women (and i don't mean just sexually)

This.

Some of the posts here so far are wowwwwww holy shit levels of wtf though. I honestly lack the ability to read some of these posts as anything other than satire, because to do so would hurt my head too much.

[Charismatic]

what if we sent all our jaded alpha males to japan to woo the poor beta females with huge american penis

two birds with one stone

Well, its actually common for Japanese women to accuse western men of molesting them and so on so lol
The so-called "foreign hunters" do this shit all the damn time.

[BerenTebogo]

Never heard of the term, so let me see if I got this correctly:

Heterosexual men are swearing off women because of the way they've been treated by women - while said women have just been acting the way men have for a long time?

If that's the case, females really are the stronger gender... Seriously, since when can't people deal with rejection?

This is what I take away from many of the quotes in the OP as well. Many of them, not one or two.

Idk, I absolutely was a pump 'em and dump 'em asshole in my teens and again in my mid 20s. I never would have wanted to date me, or a female version of me, so I didn't. Tried out a few girls who were the polar opposite of that while I got my shit together then settled down again.

Getting cheated on sucks, it's happened to me. It really sucks. But at no point in my life did I think "Man, fuck all women, I'm giving up!"

I did think "man fuck this bitch, I'm going to fuck her cousin!"

That worked out much better for me overall, personally.

Edit: of all the many things I worship glorious Nippon for, they will never be the country I look to for my sexual guidelines.

[Uzor]

You guys are oversimplifying it by a lot.
Its like you read two sentences and form your conclusion from there.

No, that isn't what it is. You didn't get it correctly. Keep reading.

I tried reading the part 2 thing linked in the OP (which is where the quotes comes from with the "reader letters"). But the entire article honestly made it seem like satire. Either that or someone whining about how bad he has it that he just have to blame everyone else. Yes, some of the points he made are accurate, but he explicitly states that women are superior to men in today's society. At that point I had a very hard time taking anything he said seriously.

I also especially loved the part where he said that homosexuality is probably a bit close to 1% of the population, and that homosexuality is partly to blame for society getting more stupid. Because, you know, logic.

Honestly, very little thing quoted makes it seem like exactly what I said. He'll, he even quoted this gem:

“My generation of boys is f**ked,” says Rupert, a young German video game enthusiast I’ve been getting to know over the past few months. “Marriage is dead. Divorce means you’re screwed for life. Women have given up on monogamy, which makes them uninteresting to us for any serious relationship or raising a family. That’s just the way it is. Even if we take the risk, chances are the kids won’t be ours. In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.

Tell me how the bolder part is NOT complaining that women are acting like men sexually, which is apparently wrong? Why is a woman who has sex with multiple partners like men do, undesirable for a serious relationship? How does that make them any less capable of a serious relationship than men, who have done just that for god knows how long?

[Charismatic]

As mentioned in the video that I linked earlier.
That is an article from a right wing traditionalist site. Breitbart has little to do with MGTOW/The Sexodus than a slant to attempt to slag on feminists (which is fine, I guess but not terribly accurate).


Its not a true representation of what this is. Again, using Japan as an example (because the west is basically following trends there ever-so-slowly). Its got little or nothing to do with rejection as most of the men were never rejected to begin with because they had no interest in such relationships from the start. There is no singular reason, attempting to simplify the issue is just dishonest and I'd appreciate it if you leave the discussion if you have no interest in actually learning anything about the situation.

Quoting AGAIN (though I clipped the beginning and end of the post)

Why start a family when you're struggling to feed yourself? Why start a family when things look so bleak? Why bother dating when you can't do nice things for the other person because you can't afford it?

That and the idea that there's simply so much going and so many avenues to obtain emotional fulfillment, I wouldn't doubt that this looks the same on both sides of the spectrum. People are less interested in dating and settling down because there are other things to do that are far more interesting to that individual.

[BerenTebogo]

Genuine question, not trying to troll:

I can understand not wanting to date or relationship or whatever. I can also understand the old-timey notion of a one-night stand coming only after $40 in drinks and rolling the dice on a drunk-rape charge, whatever.

But like, and I haven't done it personally since I've been in a relationship since it gained popularity, swiping right on Tinder for anyone other than CS is the easiest way to just have random sex. Even troglodyte dudes I know (and girls) can get their rocks off with a random while sober in the middle of the afternoon before the gym or something.

It literally is as simple as swiping right and asking "Hey you want to make parts of each other wet and sticky without conversation?" If Y proceed if N -> next. Pickup artists have been saying for years that getting laid is just a numbers game and Tinder gives you access to orders of magnitude higher numbers than any of us would've previously had.

So I guess to succinctly sum up my question: are these dudes just not looking for sex at all? Or just so not into relationships that the previous falls out as a result? Or, and probably very few of us here are qualified to discuss this as it falls into pure psychology, is there a chance that the increase of dudes who dont want to waste money getting off with women correlates nicely with the rise of availability and ease of access to more porn than our parents ever could've dreamed of; starring girls hotter than anyone any of us would ever even dream of seeing naked?

Edit: or a correlation with a generation raised on the internet having zero social skills with which to maneuver the real world?

Not saying that applies to all parties considered, but one of the quoted articles references the hikkikomori in Japan. That is literally the textbook definition of someone who can only function online and literally, psychologically, "can't even" the real world.