Transgender Philosophy (Questions, Ideology)

[Stumblingdrunk]

No matter which way it goes, someone is going to get the shit end of the stick, which is why I'm neutral on the issue.

That is not even a little true

[Cream Soda]

You have the tarns people who get the shit end of the stick when they have to use the opposite bathroom to their gender. Then you just have those horny retards that are going to fuck a good thing up by going into women's bathrooms/lockerrooms.(and this isn't a matter of if, it's a matter of when) I don't see how SOMEONE isn't getting the shit end of the stick lol

[Enkidu]

There are plenty of guys who sneak into women's locker rooms when it's illegal, not sure why someone would question whether or not it would happen if it were legal...

Look the politician is obviously positioning, but the point is just that it's a law that probably does need to be in place.

[NynJa]

If you think there arent any sick dudes out there who will don a dress and go into the womens bathroom under the guise of "o im a women see teehee", then youre crazy. Just because youve never seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

[Eurell]

Can someone find some cases of this happening? Because it's not illegal yet. So if that doesn't pass, we are exactly where we are right now. And as far as I know, this is not an issue right now, right?

[Blubbartron]

Can someone find some cases of this happening? Because it's not illegal yet. So if that doesn't pass, we are exactly where we are right now. And as far as I know, this is not an issue right now, right?

I think it's unlikely you're going to find any documented cases of it happening, for one specific reason - how do you prove that someone isn't trans? If someone walks up to you and tells you that they're transgendered and have a right to be there, you have no choice but to believe them. What person is going to go to the press and say their privacy was violated by some creep, who may or may not actually be transgendered?

[Vandalhart]

My understanding of the law (and it's not an in depth one so bear with me) is that ambiguity in the law makes it that much harder to prosecute someone who's broken it.

The idea behind this law appears to help prevent perverts from entering the opposite sex's facilities. That's good. Two problems come to mind immediately when I think about it.

1. By the time the pervert is caught and prosecuted, it's already too late. They've seen what they wanted to see, and people's privacy has already been taken. It does allow for some sort of prosecution after, which is good. That, I hope, would prevent people from breaking the law to begin with.

2. It causes people who are transgender to have to explain themselves. Something that is not fair to them. They haven't done anything wrong, but they are going to be scrutinized as the aforementioned perverts right away, just because they have sexual organs that are normally of the opposite sex.

So what's the proper solution?

I think the possibility of two more changing rooms for transgender men and transgender women is a bit much. That really only seems like the only way to go about it and please everyone. Even then, I have a feeling that it wouldn't please transgender individuals because they'd feel like they are being segregated from where they deserve to be. I can't blame someone for thinking that either, they are the gender they identify with, they should be allowed to use the facilities as such.

The other option is just to have communal changing rooms, I'm sure that wouldn't fly either.

[Gokku]

no link but i remember the EPIC shit-storm on the military base i was @ in high-school ill summarize it.
Guy likes womens clothing we'd all seen him?/her at one point or another around the base was a non issue.
Person went into the ladys room / sauna at the gym
People lost their minds.

theres 2 sides to this issue in my eyes:
There is no way outside of time time teaching and time to get people of either sex up to speed and adjusted to the idea let alone actually coming face to face with someone outside of that persons "norm".
There is no way outside of time time teaching and time to provide safety of anyone walking into anywhere thats outside of xyz's "norm".

Example Deep south , If you go to an state fair in the middle of Butler, Alabama dont matter if your gay\ straight \cross-dress \transsexual etc. You walk into the ladys room whip out your dick: INCOMMING ASSWHOPPIN OF INTOLERANCE

doesn't matter if theres a law for or against it your probably gonna have a bad time.

*i in no way agree with the law they want in Florida but i do understand it*

I guess the thing i wish i could ask someone is if they as a member of *insert term* community understand and realize that while progress has been made safety tolerance and education for the MASSES is not even close to being ready for it. Whats the solution to this >.>? did southpark get it right?

[Gokku]

Kansas one ups Florida removes anti discrimination

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) on Tuesday unilaterally rescinded rules that had protected state workers from discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.

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Kansas one ups Florida removes anti discrimination

I dont see why this is a big deal. This is just removing redundant legislation. They still cant discriminate based on mental disorders or medical history.

Spoiler: show

lol conservatives

[Waraji]

They still cant discriminate based on mental disorders or medical history.

Are you suggesting being lgbt is a mental disorder or medical condition? Because that's what I got from that..

[FNH]

Are you suggesting being lgbt is a mental disorder or medical condition? Because that's what I got from that..

Just the t I think. There is a huge amount of people that would agree with him based on it being in the DSM-5 and the ICD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnos...ntal_Disorders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ealth_Problems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

[Aksannyi]

I took it to assume that the religious right would classify it as a mental disorder.

[Stumblingdrunk]

Just the t I think. There is a huge amount of people that would agree with him based on it being in the DSM-5 and the ICD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

It's generally a bad idea to post links that you didn't read and/or understand.

The official classification of gender dysphoria as a disorder in the DSM-5 may help resolve some of these issues, because the term gender dysphoria applies only to the discontent experienced by some persons resulting from gender identity issues.

[FNH]

It's generally a bad idea to post links that you didn't read and/or understand.

The International Journal on Transgenderism recommending that gender dysphoria be re/declassified is an attempt to prevent them from being labeled as "different" isn't much of a swaying argument what with their blaring bias and all. Which is a never ending cycle and doesn't really make it a valid argument until enough of the population also falls into that category to make it the "norm". I'm not saying being different is bad or wrong or that any mental "disorder" is either. I have always had a problem with people being sensitive over the term "different", everyone has something that can get them labeled as having a disorder or abnormality doesn't make you any less of a person.

[Stumblingdrunk]

The International Journal on Transgenderism recommending that gender dysphoria be re/declassified is an attempt to prevent them from being labeled as "different" isn't much of a swaying argument what with their blaring bias and all. Which is a never ending cycle and doesn't really make it a valid argument until enough of the population also falls into that category to make it the "norm". I'm not saying being different is bad or wrong or that any mental "disorder" is either. I have always had a problem with people being sensitive over the term "different", everyone has something that can get them labeled as having a disorder or abnormality doesn't make you any less of a person.

You made a statement about the DSM-5 that was untrue, your reasons are of no consequence.
You don't get to say

There is a huge amount of people that would agree with him based on it being in the DSM-5

when "being trans" is not in fact listed as a mental disorder in the DSM-5

[FNH]

You made a statement about the DSM-5 that was untrue, your reasons are of no consequence.
You don't get to say
when "being trans" is not in fact listed as a mental disorder in the DSM-5

Is GID/dysphoria different to you?

[Stumblingdrunk]

Is GID/dysphoria different to you?

DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name “gender identity disorder”
with “gender dysphoria,” as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dys
-
phoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender...ct%20sheet.pdf
I don't think it's just me who doesn't think they're the same thing

[FNH]

Changing GID to dysphoria is just a PC left thing, it doesn't remove it from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Gender Nonconformity isn't the same as dysphoria, it is just a diagnostic criterion. Again, having a disorder doesn't make someone less of a person or evil or whatever thing you think I'm trying to portray it as.

[Stumblingdrunk]

Changing GID to dysphoria is just a PC left thing, it doesn't remove it from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Gender Nonconformity isn't the same as dysphoria, it is just a diagnostic criterion. Again, having a disorder doesn't make someone less of a person or evil or whatever thing you think I'm trying to portray it as.

I'm not accusing you of anything other than being incorrect.