2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Tyrath]

Nah, I'm the guy voting for Clinton because I think Bernie is too honest to herd sheep.

Which means I'm also aware of the importance polling and pandering to moderates, and all the evidence so far indicates that Benghazi was a solid win for Hillary. The 40% that feel the investigation has revealed something are overwhelmingly GOP self-identifiers.

Ridiculous. If the hearings didn't exist her numbers would be better. They do more damage to her than they do good.

[archibaldcrane]

So are you Bernie supporters really willing to risk two SCOTUS seats? If any lasting change is going to come its going to be from there.

I don't think most Bernie supporters are going to vote for someone other than Hillary in the general.

[Tyrath]

I don't think most Bernie supporters are going to vote for someone other than Hillary in the general.

I think he means putting Bernie into the general would be a bigger risk than Hillary.

[Blubbartron]

I don't think most Bernie supporters are going to vote for someone other than Hillary in the general.

I think a good chunk of them will simply stay home on election day and continue to be disenfranchised. The ones that do vote will vote Democrat, I agree.

[Quicklet]

Trump or Carson would be as powerful a motivator to get people to vote Democrat as Bernie. Maybe even more.

[Acevalefor]

I certainly won't be voting for Hilary. I also will not be voting republican in any way. That leaves me to write in Deez Nuts.

[Tyrath]

I certainly won't be voting for Hilary. I also will not be voting republican in any way. That leaves me to write in Deez Nuts.

As Bill Maher, if you can't get the seafood you should still eat the chicken. The 2 party system sucks but I don't really get liberals who would be willing to lose 2-3 supreme court nominations to republicans just because Hillary isn't their perfect candidate.

[Blubbartron]

As Bill Maher, if you can't get the seafood you should still eat the chicken. The 2 party system sucks but I don't really get liberals who would be willing to lose 2-3 supreme court nominations to republicans just because Hillary isn't their perfect candidate.

Most of the people that are disenfranchised with the system recognize that establishment candidates have hardly any differences when you get to the general election. As George Carlin used to rant, we are left with the illusion of choice at the end of the day.

[Gredival]

Most of the people that are disenfranchised with the system recognize that establishment candidates have hardly any differences when you get to the general election. As George Carlin used to rant, we are left with the illusion of choice at the end of the day.

If you don't think that things would have turned out differently between an Obama administration vs. a McCain or Romney administration, you're off your goddamn rocker.

And before you say Obama wasn't the establishment candidate, remember he won through superdelegates and Hillary had the popular vote. But regardless, the same would go for a Hillary administration vs. McCain or Romney.

[notorious bum]

People see how bad shit has to get already before anyone to really gives a fuck, it wouldn't be a surprise if a Hilldog nom would lead to record low turnouts. I know Hillary supporters who recognize that she is beholden to the corporations, even if they won't spit it out explicitly. The reality is that this overwhelming feeling of powerlessness in the oligarchy that we have will only increase, no matter who is elected.

Just because I want Bernie to get elected, doesn't mean I throw out common sense and turn into one of the Obama robots that surrounded me in 07-08. I think a lot of people sense the similarities between the two campaigns, except Bernie genuinely hates the status quo and Obama revels in it.

Even with Bern, US FP and war profiteering will march on unperturbed, the "casino capitalism" will keep churning, congress/SC will do 1 or 2 right things with immense compromise for lobbyists, and the country will continue to live in fear of man-made and natural disasters.

I know listening to folks discuss shit frankly about what an empire does is depressing, but I actually get more upset listening to optimists or political forecasters discussing mundane bullshit while history repeats itself.

[notorious bum]

If you don't think that things would have turned out differently between an Obama administration vs. a McCain or Romney administration, you're off your goddamn rocker.

And before you say Obama wasn't the establishment candidate, remember he won through superdelegates and Hillary had the popular vote. But regardless, the same would go for a Hillary administration vs. McCain or Romney.

You're right, a GOP nom would have received hell for mass assassination and spying programs. You could make the argument that less social progress would have been made, but Obama has made Bush look like a pussy on many conservative fronts.

[Tyrath]

Most of the people that are disenfranchised with the system recognize that establishment candidates have hardly any differences when you get to the general election. As George Carlin used to rant, we are left with the illusion of choice at the end of the day.

If you don't think republican candidate choosing the next 2-3 supreme court judges vs Hillary doing it won't make any difference, I echo Gredival. You're off your goddamn rocker.

[notorious bum]

Wild.

Ben Carson thinks a girl raped by her father has no right to an abortion because abortion is slavery.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0443bb564356b

[Quicklet]

Trump/Carson 2016 baby.

[Andalusian girls]

If you don't think republican candidate choosing the next 2-3 supreme court judges vs Hillary doing it won't make any difference, I echo Gredival. You're off your goddamn rocker.

what could possibly have gone differently with President Gore reacting to the the September 11th attacks

[Tyrath]

what could possibly have gone differently with President Gore reacting to the the September 11th attacks

I'm talking about supreme court justices making a difference and you're talking about what presidents would do.

Although I'm fairly certain President Gore wouldn't have led us into the clusterfuck of Iraq.

[Andalusian girls]

i was being ironical

[notorious bum]

Rubio gives up on Senate, poor baby says his job is too difficult and he hates it (still gettin paid, tho)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f92_story.html

[Kachiko]

Wild.

Ben Carson thinks a girl raped by her father has no right to an abortion because abortion is slavery.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0443bb564356b

No, he thinks that she shouldn't have a right to an abortion because, to him, it means the killing of a human being, and nobody has a 'right' to do so. Liking or dis-liking his comparison of certain aspects of abortion to certain aspects of slavery may be a good way to libel him.

[Sho]

Rubio gives up on Senate, poor baby says his job is too difficult and he hates it (still gettin paid, tho)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f92_story.html

Going all in on wanting that nomination. Of course this nigga would after missing 60+ votes. Everyone else by comparison has missed less than 10 votes each while campaigning, including Bernie Sanders, who campaigns hard dan a motherfucker.

Claims that people should be fired for not doing their job, doesn't do his own, wants to be POTUS.