2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Gredival]

Better prep the popcorn. The debates are gonna be amazing if Trump is in them.

[Serra]

Well, first date is August 6th, so we've still got a ways to go (and probably at least two or three additional contenders).

The important thing to remember is, if you get called from any polling agency, say you like Trump over the rest of the field -- and to tell everyone you know to do the same.

Honestly though, Trump seems like the type of character to stay in the race, even if he can't make the cut for the first few debates.

[notorious bum]

Trump can't debate if he's not even an official candidate according to the FEC.

[Serra]

He is an official candidate, he declared last week (I'm assuming he filed all the appropriate paperwork and all that..). The issue is that the early debates have said they're only going to allow the top ten candidates (based on polls) to participate.

[notorious bum]

Last time I checked, Trump hasn't filed the proper financial disclosures to become an official candidate.

[Gredival]

Last time I checked, Trump hasn't filed the proper financial disclosures to become an official candidate.

Supposedly forthcoming this week after he officially announced last week.

[Tyrath]

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[Waraji]

Bobby Jindal signed up for the cannonball run, 0 chance this guy. They are completely oblivious to their political prospects outside of their immediate base. It's like a tourist (American) visiting a new country for the first time.

[Sho]

Bobby Jindal just rubs me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on it. Don't trust the man at all. And he has a hell of a bloodlust for straight killing ISIS and other radicals & supporters.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump is polling better than the entire GOP base outside of Bush. Hilarious and scary.

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Obama is just fucking winning this week/year. Obamacare ruled as legal by Supreme Court, 6-3. Same Sex Marriage ruled as legal by Supreme Court. Pwns random heckler in the White House. About to set the tone for racism in the eulogy for his friend. The man is untouchable and setting up a very interesting precedent for the GOP to follow and start to change their stances.

[notorious bum]

No, gay marriage isn't a victory that Obama can claim by any means whatsoever. He also disrespected trans activists with his arrogant "pwn", as he always does to any activist who dare tries to call him out on his bullshit in public. He was speaking in front a bunch of LGBT talking heads who really ain't been about shit for trans folks.

Put down the Koolaid, bruh.

[Tyrath]

I like how you say Obama disrespected the activist. But interrupting the POTUS isn't disrespectful at all amirite?

[notorious bum]

Home of the slaves, land of the empty, etc. Change gone come..... eventually.

[Sho]

No, gay marriage isn't a victory that Obama can claim by any means whatsoever. He also disrespected trans activists with his arrogant "pwn", as he always does to any activist who dare tries to call him out on his bullshit in public. He was speaking in front a bunch of LGBT talking heads who really ain't been about shit for trans folks.

Put down the Koolaid, bruh.

My guy, are you crazy? He wins on gay marriage by proxy of putting Sonia Sotomayor & Elena Kagan in the SCOTUS. We can argue that he was late to the Same Sex Marriage debate, but at least he was there, and supported it overtly. That activist was a fucking heckler and deserved to be kicked out and reprimanded by Obama, activist or not.

And to say the LGBT and trans community hasn't been working together, you're pretty damn crazy. You need only go as far as asking Kuya on these forums about that. Disrespecting the President is OK, but defending himself is not? Fuck outta here.

You're so far to the left, I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore sometimes, brah.

[notorious bum]

You think gay activists got to where they were by being polite and sending emails to Obama? The LGBT "leaders" who there that day when Jennicet Gutierrez stood up and called attention to a major fucking problem were all exposed for playing pattycake with Obama. The momentum that started decades ago by LGBT activists is why we got to where we are today.

Very little progress has been made outside of this, if Gutierrez didn't speak up on the abominable immigration situation, not a word would have been said of it. This isn't heckling, this is how you get lazy fucks to talk about pressing issues. Like I said, this is Obama's thing now, he used to pay some semblance of respect when a protestor would interrupt his meetings/speeches.

You plan on giving Hillary the okey-doke for supporting gay marriage all of 2? years now?

[kuronosan]

What are you, 4?

Get your head out of your ass.

[Sho]

You think gay activists got to where they were by being polite and sending emails to Obama? The LGBT "leaders" who there that day when Jennicet Gutierrez stood up and called attention to a major fucking problem were all exposed for playing pattycake with Obama. The momentum that started decades ago by LGBT activists is why we got to where we are today.

Very little progress has been made outside of this, if Gutierrez didn't speak up on the abominable immigration situation, not a word would have been said of it. This isn't heckling, this is how you get lazy fucks to talk about pressing issues. Like I said, this is Obama's thing now, he used to pay some semblance of respect when a protestor would interrupt his meetings/speeches.

You plan on giving Hillary the okey-doke for supporting gay marriage all of 2? years now?

I'm not saying that Obama footballed a victory for the LGBT community. However, him being in support of it is a BIG help, especially in such a politically motivated world where politics marginalizes the value of a human life based on their sexual orientation. Are you honestly saying Obama's support in Same Sex Marriage and equality for the gay community counts for nothing?

Not only momentum but shift in thinking and public opinion that led up to this day, along with key people being in positions where needed. Again, Obama wasn't even for same-sex marriage for a while after 1996, but views can change, people can change. And he did. Can we honestly say that this outcome would have happened this was in a US run by Mitt Romney or John McCain? I think not.

There's still a problem with attempting stop the president of the United States from delivering his speech (which was honouring LGBT Pride Month) by heckling him over an immigration issue in the White House of all places. Not only once, but multiple times until she was escorted out (well over 10 times). Gutierrez heckling him did absolutely nothing to further her cause outside of becoming a small time news article that is now shadowed by the SCOTUS ruling. You get invited, and screened to get into the White House, heckle the President, is told to stop and allowed to stay, then continues heckling and gets mad and gets the boot. No one will take you seriously like that. She did her community a disservice by heckling, not the other way around.

Hilary however is a god damn hypocrite. Anyone remember this:



I don't trust the woman much further than I trust about 90% of the GOP on holding or shifting stances. Don't be surprised in the coming weeks and months this very video will be used against her.

[notorious bum]

Momentum is indeed important, but pointing out the fact that the opposition would have probably never allowed this to happen isn't the best argument. That same line of thinking has Obama supporters defending his continuation/expansion of Bush policies.

That woman interrupted him 10 times? Well, she may have lasted longer than some of the prominent anti-war activists in recent memory. If only he could have just acknowledged her grievances, it could have saved him some time. Acknowledging the types of conditions that resemble prisons would be disastrous PR, though.

[Sho]

Momentum is indeed important, but pointing out the fact that the opposition would have probably never allowed this to happen isn't the best argument. That same line of thinking has Obama supporters defending his continuation/expansion of Bush policies.

That woman interrupted him 10 times? Well, she may have lasted longer than some of the prominent anti-war activists in recent memory. If only he could have just acknowledged her grievances, it could have saved him some time. Acknowledging the types of conditions that resemble prisons would be disastrous PR, though.

We could argue some of the Obama policies adopted by Bush, can I can at least state that any involving drones and drone strikes is likely for the best (I'm in support of not sacrificing more of our troops to causes that have nothing to do with America directly; also in support of more advanced drones that don't indiscriminately kill civilians).

Yeah. As for Gutierrez, her timing for protest was pretty bad, as she could have either waited for him to stop talking, or waited to protest as he was leaving. She just interrupted him and kept going, not even paying attention to Obama's response at all. The fact that he was cordial about it and asked Gutierrez to "stay or get kicked out" could have afforded her a chance with actually talking to the man directly to voice her concerns. It was obvious that Obama allowed for more lax security as she didn't get bumrushed or knocked over for a good 2 minutes. She only managed to piss him off and lead him off on the tangent of making fun of hecklers instead of acknowledging her and her cause.

[notorious bum]

Our drones are beyond advanced now, don't worry about those civilian deaths. You see, by law, every brown man that is at least the age of 18 is guilty of being a terrorist. Obama's Kill Lists are made with the same care as his NCAA bracket. I think the next gen consoles will be churning out much more accurate pilots anyways, the ones they have now are getting all crabby about killing randos all day and high rates of PTSD.

[Serra]

So, what do you guys think the split will be between constitutional ban on gay marriage vs repealing the ACA at the first republican debate?