2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[6souls]

2 precincts have been walked back in the Missou GOP results. Went from 100% to 99.9% just now.

Same thing just happened on the Dem side. Incoming Recounts.

[Minions]

Same thing just happened on the Dem side. Incoming Recounts.

Only really matters on the republican side. (From a delegate perspective) Dems are proportional anyway.

[Byrthnoth]

Looks like someone is berning out >:/

[BerenTebogo]

The revolution that berns brightest berns itself out fastest

[Gredival]

Contrary to the straw man I’m confronted with daily, this is not about issues and not about overwrought accusations of sexism. I have absolutely no problem with people vehemently disagreeing with Hillary’s positions. I disagree with her on several things, from her AUMF vote to drones to fracking. I was upset by her comment on Nancy Reagan and AIDS and I’m glad she apologized for it. She is by no means perfect. No one is.

But I won’t let the perfect be the enemy of the exceptional. And make no mistake, Hillary is an exceptional human being and an exceptional candidate. She is by far the best positioned in this race to advance the progressive agenda and she is nothing like the caricature painted of her.

http://bluenationreview.com/i-sleep-...nding-hillary/

[Minions]

The only outstanding votes are in a area where Clintion is winning pretty handily.. Pretty crazy comeback though.

Sounds like we won't find out until after Friday... if not longer since apparently absentee ballots can come in until noon Friday. These are the overall results of the actual voting today though, as they have stopped counting.

Then any candidates can request a recount since the win was <1%.

[ringthree]

Not really. Teachers, generally speaking, should remain as neutral as possible in all things controversial (politics, religion, etc). They are meant to educate, not indoctrinate.

Bullshit. They are not robots. There is a HUGE space between explaining who you voted for and why, and indoctrination.

[Marootsoobutsu]

Bullshit. They are not robots. There is a HUGE space between explaining who you voted for and why, and indoctrination.

No, teacher's shouldn't be getting into that, for a whole variety of reasons. Teacher's aren't there to give their opinion on morality, or on politics. Inform on the political process. Let kids know where individual politicians and parties stand-- this is fine. Point out hypocrisy and lies, or beneficial programs if you want to. But don't give your opinion. The first is explaining politics and letting the kid decide from there (or letting the kids hash it out), and the second is informing an opinion of which is preferable. Teachers have an enormous influence as is, and while they are entitled to their opinion on politics, I don't want them sharing it in the classroom, any more than I want them sharing their religion, their lifestyle, whatever. Teach about religions, fine. Teach about different lifestyles in the country, fine. But leave yours *out*.

Besides that, teachers really don't need to invite that hell from kids who told mom and dad they picked the wrong candidate-- they have enough to deal with from helicopter parents without dealing with Trumpkin parents wasting even more of the teacher's time because she supports Sanders or Clinton or Cruz or whomever. That's not a headache they need, and it's one they not only will invite, but will absofreakinglutely face.

[Gredival]

Bullshit. They are not robots. There is a HUGE space between explaining who you voted for and why, and indoctrination.

Except that people have been using the classroom to push agendas for decades (for example abstinence only sex ed), so the safest thing is to keep it out of the classroom altogether. Remove the potential for abuse.

[notorious bum]

Grade school political debates are the worst as it is; I can't imagine much good coming out of them if it involves arguing or "learning" about why their teacher chooses to vote one candidate over another.

[Gredival]

I got called baby-killer for the entirety of Grade 8 because I was the only kid backing Gore in 2000 at my Catholic elementary school.

[kuronosan]

Grade school political debates are the worst as it is; I can't imagine much good coming out of them if it involves arguing or "learning" about why their teacher chooses to vote one candidate over another.

Grade school is the last place to argue politics. Save that for high school and college.

[Aksannyi]

Honestly most of the kids didn't push it when I said that I didn't want to share who I voted for. It's enough that I voted. To me, it's important to model that action for the students which is why I got up early to go to the polls before school. Let them see that I take my civic duty seriously. Sure that invited questions, but once I said, "I don't share who I voted for," most of them left it alone. Some of the kids then had their own things to say. ("Feel the Bern," "Can't stump the Trump," etc.) but I just reminded them to move on and get back on task.

Maroot is right though. I don't talk about religion or politics in public school. There isn't any place for it. The one time we had a discussion was because some kid wanted Trump to win, and the reasoning behind it was something racist that the student said. That, obviously, had to be addressed.

[kuronosan]

http://www.isidewith.com/map/d~6L/20...nie-sanders#z4

Fun with flags.

[Fiye]

Gotta say, looking at that isidewith map shit looks pretty skewed towards bernie.

Michigan was pretty blue, as well as Illinois.

[Tyche]

Bernie fans are young hip college kids that go to websites like isidewith and don't actually vote.

[Dantrag]

Bernie fans are young hip college kids that go to websites like isidewith and don't actually vote.

Whhaaaaat, you mean that doesn't cooount? *every young person*

[Tyche]

This may be my favorite 2 minute cut of the 538 podcast.

https://soundcloud.com/neil-duff-615...064k-mp3cutnet

[Ragnus]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...20855?cmpid=sf

Boehner now supports the "Fuck the primary race, here's our candidate" option of Paul Ryan, changing his original endorsement of Kasich less than a week ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...n-kasich/?_r=0

[Serra]

I was looking at the BG thread from 2008 saying eerily similar things here and you know what? Obama lost the popular vote but cleaned house in delegates and I think the race wasn't even decided until June, after the majority of states had pledged.

As small as I think Bernie's chances are or might seem, there's still a chance he could pick up steam if he doesn't drop out. That being said, realistically if he loses more than 30% of remaining delegates he's done.

Assuming numbers stay where they are, Hilldog is up to 1,599 total delegates out of 2,383 needed. She only needs 784 more delegates (Sanders has 844 total, so she needs fewer delegates than Sanders has received to this point) or 33.8 percent of the remaining 2,322. So yeah, if Sanders can keep her at 30 percent or below, he'll win. Can he do that? At this point, I think we're somewhere between no and hell-no.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...20855?cmpid=sf

Boehner now supports the "Fuck the primary race, here's our candidate" option of Paul Ryan, changing his original endorsement of Kasich less than a week ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...n-kasich/?_r=0

I'm still not convinced they're going to have the option. Trump might still win out, or he might be the only one allowed on the ballot.