2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Greatguardian]

Idk, removing the cost as a barrier of entry will just force schools to be more selective in who they accept. Judging by some of the shenanigans I saw as a lab assistant this semester, that's only a good thing.

Students good enough to get into these "significantly more selective" free schools I keep hearing about are already going to school on scholarships in the current system.

[archibaldcrane]

Bernie will gain humility as he loses probably the next seven straight states. (Pennsylvania, Maryland, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, then Indiana, then West Virginia)

[Marootsoobutsu]

Idk, removing the cost as a barrier of entry will just force schools to be more selective in who they accept. Judging by some of the shenanigans I saw as a lab assistant this semester, that's only a good thing.

Cost already isn't really a barrier. Anyone smart enough to realize the debt is a problem is smart enough to know they likely need it to get ahead unless they are smart enough to just start their own business. And if they aren't smart enough, they're probably still good enough to get into college. Because, really... college campuses are not the bastions of elevated, knowledge-seeking minds we should expect them to be.

[archibaldcrane]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/25...ww.google.com/

Cruz and Kasich have finally agreed to team up for #neverTrump

Kasich is going to clear out of Indiana and let Cruz try to beat Trump h2h, Cruz will clear out of Oregon and New Mexico.

[Sho]

Idk, removing the cost as a barrier of entry will just force schools to be more selective in who they accept. Judging by some of the shenanigans I saw as a lab assistant this semester, that's only a good thing.

Shouldn't schools not be selective, though? I love the idea of school being more available to everyone -- everyone that wants to go to school should have the chance. However, I'd like to think we as a nation would like our more serious kids to go to school instead of the lot who have no idea what the want to be, or those who go to college for a party life, etc.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/25...ww.google.com/

Cruz and Kasich have finally agreed to team up for #neverTrump

Kasich is going to clear out of Indiana and let Cruz try to beat Trump h2h, Cruz will clear out of Oregon and New Mexico.

This made Kasich lose cool points in my book. Shouldn't have been an overt announcement. Both of them playing fast and loose like this is hilarious however. I can't see either of them being on the top of any list beyond a 2nd ballot in a brokered convention.

Cruz stopping Trump in Indiana was an absolute must, however -- it forces Trump to not only court Maryland unbound delegates, but also do better than 70% in California if he wants 1,237 delegates by convention time.

[BerenTebogo]

Shouldn't schools not be selective, though? I love the idea of school being more available to everyone -- everyone that wants to go to school should have the chance. However, I'd like to think we as a nation would like our more serious kids to go to school instead of the lot who have no idea what the want to be, or those who go to college for a party life, etc.

You do realize someone needs to teach those kids though, right? And they need somewhere to sit. And someone to grade their work. And someone needs to make that work. And someone needs to find room for classes that are already full with people riding it out til the last day of add/drop to take it next semester for the fourth time.

You have no idea how much longer it takes to create the work for these little shits, and to grade the bullshit that they turn in, than it does for them to not care about it. The 5 kids per class of 40 who really try and care are great. It's the other 35 who make teaching a 16 hour a day job.

[Cjskater]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/25...ww.google.com/

Cruz and Kasich have finally agreed to team up for #neverTrump

Kasich is going to clear out of Indiana and let Cruz try to beat Trump h2h, Cruz will clear out of Oregon and New Mexico.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein

This guy tweeted an email from their campaign. I like the 3rd one. "If you are explaining, you are losing."

[Sho]

You do realize someone needs to teach those kids though, right? And they need somewhere to sit. And someone to grade their work. And someone needs to make that work. And someone needs to find room for classes that are already full with people riding it out til the last day of add/drop to take it next semester for the fourth time.

You have no idea how much longer it takes to create the work for these little shits, and to grade the bullshit that they turn in, than it does for them to not care about it. The 5 kids per class of 40 who really try and care are great. It's the other 35 who make teaching a 16 hour a day job.

This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. I'd rather see this burden on teachers lessened. I've seen it first hand as you have.

I'm not saying everyone has to be a Grade SSS+ student maximum GPA, but I'd rather see schools have more serious students who are actually around to learn rather than floaters and add/drop riders. To wit, I'd much rather a student who's getting subpar grades, but is giving it their all regardless over the other little shits. Even if this means a smaller class room over all.

A larger problem with these schools is more so the spending on buildings, amenities, and structures that aren't well utilized, but mostly for show.

[Gredival]

Idk, removing the cost as a barrier of entry will just force schools to be more selective in who they accept. Judging by some of the shenanigans I saw as a lab assistant this semester, that's only a good thing.

No, YOUR school may be able to become more selective but all the run-off will end up wasting money going to SOME school because there are simply too many schools right now.

The SAT didn't used to be standard for admissions; it was a sorting mechanism for the top schools to only admit the best and brightest (and of course there was correlation with privilege -- it's a lot easier to be smart when you can afford tutors and such of course). But now you have schools that cater to every bracket of the SAT, including the three digit scorers (Devry, University of Phoenix, etc.)

The problem is oversupply and any solution that removes more barriers to entry makes the problem worse.

Just look at European countries where they have publicly funded college. Bernie keeps referencing how we should be more like them, but even in socialist countries not everyone gets to go to college in those countries. Many get funneled into paid trade schools because they don't belong in academia or in careers that require a degree. He doesn't talk about that though because that doesn't inspire anyone.

[Cjskater]

Cruz got boo'd on fox haha


Seems Kasich was also boo'd

[Gryffes]

Bernies down to FBI equity, repub side more interesting. Trump should sweep tomorrow though.

[Minions]

Ted Cruz 'narrowing' vice-presidential shortlist -- and it includes Carly Fiorina

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/politi...ina/index.html

Still no explanation why his campaign/PAC sent her a bunch of money awhile back...

[arus2001]

This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. I'd rather see this burden on teachers lessened. I've seen it first hand as you have.

I'm not saying everyone has to be a Grade SSS+ student maximum GPA, but I'd rather see schools have more serious students who are actually around to learn rather than floaters and add/drop riders. To wit, I'd much rather a student who's getting subpar grades, but is giving it their all regardless over the other little shits. Even if this means a smaller class room over all.

A larger problem with these schools is more so the spending on buildings, amenities, and structures that aren't well utilized, but mostly for show.

Maybe in some way we've been conditioned into believing the "college experience" is required, in part due to the financial gain involved if looking to it as a business. I was going to comment on the whole school/jobs thing yesterday, but somewhat held off since I didn't feel like I could word it properly. Basically, there's a lot of fluff, particularly in courses one doesn't "need" for a major, but I also didn't really think much on extraneous buildings or the money sink of maintaining some solely for historical value or what not. Plus there's the obvious difference between students who want to learn and those treating it as something to do between parties.

Trade schools are likely underutilized, but at the same time, colleges would likely more resemble them in function if they started trimming the fat. Such would also include non-practical programs where having the degree is little more than showing you can do whatever for x number of years. Otherwise, we've still gotta nip the stigma that so-called non-skilled labor isn't worth a livable wage despite it frequently being a miserable experience. Part of this is definitely an ego thing, as those who do jump through the collegiate hoops probably wind up angry they plunged themselves into debt for a minimally higher pay (depending on field). There's also that pesky looming specter of technological advances removing or scaling down future job opportunities alongside growing populations. What'll inevitably get into the craw of those fond of the "Bootsraps!" argument is that society will eventually hit a point where people don't HAVE to work to still prosper, with work itself being more a matter of personal entertainment or satisfying some sense of personal responsibility. Realistically, this is probably more where we should be encouraging the arts, as in the creation thereof, instead of perpetually cutting them or outright ridiculing people who pursue them. Hundred years from now, we're still gonna want TV, movies, video games, music, and other media.

The only thing that'll really stymie this eventuality is some global catastrophe. With making life easier being the driving force behind a lot of tech, life eventually does have to become easy. It won't be our generation, or probably even those 2-3 down the line, but what's the world landscape gonna look like in 2116? I can't bring myself to say it'd look good if we swing even further toward unregulated capitalism, be it with schooling, utilities, or whatever modern day society needs to not regress.

[Dotsudoku]

pallet cleanser before tonight's inevitable seriousness

[Pirian]

rofl golden

[kisada]

that's so good

[archibaldcrane]

pallet cleanser before tonight's inevitable seriousness

Friend of mine directed that.

Anyone know who organized this troll attack on Bernie fb groups?

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-f...roups-trolled/

[Xajii]

Friend of mine directed that.

Anyone know who organized this troll attack on Bernie fb groups?

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-f...roups-trolled/

bernie's own digital media spokesperson and bernie's official facebook page both say it was a facebook bug and a ton of groups - not just bernie groups - were temporarily down

[Minions]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/26/politi...rns/index.html

Bernie and Jane Sanders won't release their back tax returns until Democratic rival Hillary Clinton releases the transcripts of her Wall Street speeches, Jane Sanders said Tuesday afternoon.

Awesome, there is seriously no reason to not release the Taxes, and everyone else is releasing them. If you think something is damning in Clintons transcripts from her speeches then you have to at least wonder why Sanders has changed his mind about releasing more Tax returns... after promising to during the last debate.


Also
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/26/politi...ate/index.html
Bernie Sanders floats Elizabeth Warren as possible VP

Some people are going to have a meltdown if that happens, since he is unlikely to get the democratic nomination, and it is some peoples dream to see Warren as his VP.

[Fiye]

Sanders released his 2014 taxes. Unless there's something specific about the 2015 taxes that people want to see (Aside from him paying <15% on his 200k salary.

Lets not forget Clinton made the terms on her releasing the transcripts back in Feb

Well, let me say this. I'm happy to release anything I have when everybody else does the same, because every other candidate in this race has given speeches to private groups, including Senator Sanders.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...you_stand.html