2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Drai]

it is amusing the same people who damn Hillary for her late to the cause support for gay marriage made, and make, nary a mention of Barack Obama sharing an identical position during his 2008 run and during the first four years of his presidency. indeed his record is considerably worse as he publicly supported same-sex marriage during his run for state senate in Illinois before flopping to be opposed to it when he ran for the U.S. Senate and faced a less liberal demographic, displaying the most cynical of political calculation.

it's almost as though she's held to a double standard.

I specifically remember Obama being accused of the exact same thing when he ran for second term, it didn't hurt him then and it won't hurt her now.

As someone watching your election through binoculars from across your border to the north, I was hoping Bernie would win, but it's very clear he won't, so anyone in this thread who claims to want progress for your country, PLEASE vote for hillary, because even if she doesn't manage to change a whole lot in the next 4-8 years, even if somehow she can't help get some more Dems in the SCOTUS over the next 4-8 years, the alternative is much more terrifying, especially for me.

As a Canadian I have no say in who will lead your country, but it's something that WILL greatly affect my country, economically, socially, and politically. So if you consider yourself a Dem/Liberal, please tow the party line.

[kisada]

baller lol

[archibaldcrane]

Hillary's savagery just became her highest retweeted and favorited tweet, surpassing her announcing that she's running for president.

[Dotsudoku]

just the kind of unified hatred that will take us to the finish line

[Krandor]

Hillary's savagery just because her highest retweeted and favorited tweet, surpassing her announcing that she's running for president.

Well, an intern, but sure.

[kuronosan]

Yar endorsement. Let's get this over with already. I have stuff to study.

[Niiro]

it is amusing the same people who damn Hillary for her late to the cause support for gay marriage made, and make, nary a mention of Barack Obama sharing an identical position during his 2008 run and during the first four years of his presidency.

This is a strawman, at least here it is.

Aside from the fact that Obama isn't the one running for president atm (so why mention it), a lot of people did criticize him for the exactly that.

"Oh it's popular now? Guess I can support it"

edit: oh there was a new page

[Zealot]

I don't think the concept of an elected representative is getting through to some of you.

[Xno Kappa]

Jesus fucking Christ!? Were we this bad coming of age for those of us born in the 80's? Millennials all act as entitled petulant assholes who get offended at the slightest micro-aggression. This is berniebros at its core. Children who probably took their first sociology course at their local community college and feel as if they understand the world through twitter and whatever the fuck social media they're using nowadays.

[kuronosan]

I don't remember kids being this hurt over a legitimate loss.

[Inshiya]

Both Obama and Hillary were pro gay marriage long before they publicly supported it. They're just smart enough politicians to know when to push certain social platforms, and they know if you push the ball too quickly, you'll lose everything you were fighting for (and not be elected).

It's been a slow social progress road, with the White House pushing forward social changes in the area as the public opinion changed to support it.

This is important because SCOTUS has traditionally been unwilling to strike down discriminatory laws as unconstitutional until it's clear the public is demonstratively against it.

People hating Obama or Hillary for not openly supporting gay marriage from the start are just playing Tic Tac Toe while Obama/Hillary are playing 3-D Chess.

[Day]

pretty sure Day's not a moron. Don't even care that he's one of many that doesn't understand the difference between an evolving stance and a flipflop. But people who whine about not being taken seriously in the discussion and only stop by to post ill informed quips and make fun of an old lady's neck are, to use his words, insufferable

i am most certainly a moron

[Greatguardian]

Jesus fucking Christ!? Were we this bad coming of age for those of us born in the 80's? Millennials all act as entitled petulant assholes who get offended at the slightest micro-aggression. This is berniebros at its core. Children who probably took their first sociology course at their local community college and feel as if they understand the world through twitter and whatever the fuck social media they're using nowadays.

A lot of millennials were born in the 80's.

[Gredival]

Is "after everyone else was on board already" when it really matters?

Where a powerful person stands on a progressive issue matters a lot more when that issue hasn't already been embraced by the majority of people.

I would cite andul's post about segregation here.

Civil rights advances are made possible primarily through the unappreciated nameless activists that fight in the trenches day after day for decades UNTIL that work has shifted popular opinion enough for the heavy hitters to come out and embrace it.

No Hillary was not a leader in the gay marriage movement (although as others have pointed out, she was consistently ahead of the curve in other rights). But sometimes politicians can't afford to be the leaders of progress. You have to avoid the radical label in order to win. Because winning is how you put yourself in a position to cement progress later on. See: Barack Obama.

[archibaldcrane]

Hilldog's savagery is up to 250k favorites, it'll be a top-20 all time tweet at 334k. Should hit that by the end of the day I think.

[Andalusian girls]

Sanders with the wink wink soft almost endorsement after Obama gives him a road to Damascus moment, full can't be far behind

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/09/politi...ton/index.html

Bernie Sanders vows to work with Hillary Clinton as Democrats move toward party unity

Sanders' first explicit promise on Thursday to join forces with Clinton to take on the Republicans will help quell concerns among Democrats about divisions in the party.

Emerging from the White House after a meeting with Obama that lasted more than an hour, Sanders warned that a Trump presidency would be a "disaster" and that he would "work as hard as I can to make sure that Donald Trump does not become president of the United States."

"I look forward to meeting with (Clinton) in the near future to see how we can work together to defeat Donald Trump and to create a government which represents all of us and not just the 1%," Sanders told reporters.

[Gredival]

Didn't know whether to post this in the PC thread with the discussion of the case, or here. But dayum Biden.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/j...nford-survivor

If sincerity really is the number one driving factor behind Trump and Bernie's support, Biden would have cleaned house.

[Cream Soda]

The berniebros are active on my FB lol

Someone posted this (it's public; as they shared it, so anyone should be able to see. Not sure how to embed facebook vids here)

https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNe...9514293432055/

[archibaldcrane]

Hilldog top-20 tweet in under 6 hours. https://favstar.fm/all-time-most-favorited-tweets

[Anoat]

When I saw that Tweet I immediately went to Buzzfeed and yep, their article was as expected.