2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[archibaldcrane]

The Little Bird software analyzed Twitter content to generate a ranked list of just under 2,000 #WhiteGenocide “influencers” as of February 8. The more impactful, the higher up on the list (which, understandably, ebbs and flows a bit over time).

Since the start of his campaign, Donald Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at least three of the top 50 #WhiteGenocide influencers. Moreover, a majority of these retweeted accounts are themselves followed by more than 100 #WhiteGenocide influencers.

http://fortune.com/donald-trump-whit...cist-genocide/

Note that this article is from months before the Star of David tweet

[Zealot]

Cracked also revealed that Donald Trump's campaign makes up a lot of people he quotes or retweets.

[Fhloston]

They just cut the feed, but was anyone else watching Comey testify before the House Oversight Committee AKA The Roast of James Comey?

Dude was getting rekt. Also, double standards everywhere.

[archibaldcrane]

This guy really tears into him: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a9d_story.html

[Krandor]

And now we all likely get to enjoy a perjury investigation. The fun just never stops.

[Krandor]

Holy fuck this comment from the reddit thread about the Oversight Committee Hearing

James Comey has to look down into his lap every ten minutes cause a Mewtwo is right next to Elijah Cummings but he can't get up and catch it.

[archibaldcrane]

Great article about Florida's demographics and how Trump has a huge uphill climb if he has any chance of winning there:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/up...rida.html?_r=0

tl;dr While Florida has gotten way less white since 2000, it still has been more Republican-leaning than the nation. However, as Cubans become a less reliable Republican voting bloc, Puerto Ricans continue to pile in, and most interestingly, as black Obama isn't running anymore and Hillary's whiteness is much more acceptable to the "white southerner" voter in the state, it's likely that Florida could get in line with the nation or even become more Democratic than average.

The way that Obama's blackness has obscured the demographic trends there (by pushing even more whites to vote Republican to counteract the hispanic shifts) and that "hinderance" being lifted now was an interesting analysis.

[Minions]

Cool. So at least we know none of the "classified" documents were labeled such, except 3, which had a (c) somewhere within the document. No one bothered to actually label the documents the way they were supposed to with giant banners. Of those 3, at least 2 the State department said were errors from someone copying and pasting into a document. 150~ or so were "retroactively" classified (Not labeled classified in any way), and she should have known they were/should have been classified. The 3 with the (c) were in giant email chains of 100+ emails and responses between tons of people. State department has/had previously stated that the FBI was classifying all kinds of pointless stuff, so in reality that "150" is probably substantially smaller.

Not as cut and dry as his press conference put it out to be. He got grilled hard as hell though. The Clinton lying/prosecution argument is going to fall flat, and get outright denied.

[Krandor]

At this point Comey has all but confirmed that Clinton is too fucking stupid to hold a job in the government because she doesn't know how to handle classified information. But since she's running for President it's np.

If she was running against a competent opponent these assorted soundbites from Comey the last few days would be a death sentence. But Trump is too busy talking about Sadam Hussein and clip art stars to actually capitalize on all the free ammunition he's been given.

[zoobernut]

At this point Comey has all but confirmed that Clinton is too fucking stupid to hold a job in the government because she doesn't know how to handle classified information. But since she's running for President it's np.

If she was running against a competent opponent these assorted soundbites from Comey the last few days would be a death sentence. But Trump is too busy talking about Sadam Hussein and clip art stars to actually capitalize on all the free ammunition he's been given.

It is like you have never worked for a large company before. This is completely 100% par for the course in this country. CEO's and VP's at large companies rarely know the intricate ins and outs of their own companies. Like it or not people at that level have other people working for them that worry about that crap so they typically don't even have a basic understanding of the technology their companies use to run. There are exceptions to this obviously but I don't think this is a government thing nor a Clinton thing.

But it has already been pointed out many times during this discussion that different people at different levels in organizations are held to different standards even in the middle it happens.


Edit: "Don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank."

[Minions]

It is like you have never worked for a large company before. This is completely 100% par for the course in this country. CEO's and VP's at large companies rarely know the intricate ins and outs of their own companies. Like it or not people at that level have other people working for them that worry about that crap so they typically don't even have a basic understanding of the technology their companies use to run. There are exceptions to this obviously but I don't think this is a government thing nor a Clinton thing.

But it has already been pointed out many times during this discussion that different people at different levels in organizations are held to different standards even in the middle it happens.


Edit: "Don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank."

And this is why when you work in IT and don't have issues they think they pay you to do nothing, then when issues happen they complain that you are incapable of performing your job. No winning. The people I worked for... in general had little to no understanding of how emails work, servers or the like. They pay people to handle that stuff.

Was it stupid to have a private server, absolutely. Will this be an issue in the future? no, since I imagine after all of these, someone who manages the emails/servers for the state department and others are actually keeping track of who they are emailing. I remain 100% certain, there is no way the state department and anyone who emails Clinton about anything, didn't know she was using a non-government email.

[Krandor]

It is like you have never worked for a large company before.

Does the US government count?

I remain 100% certain, there is no way the state department and anyone who emails Clinton about anything, didn't know she was using a non-government email.

It was established in the IG report that when people brought up that Hillary was using a non state.gov email that they were told to keep their mouths shut.

[kuronosan]

Hillary did this because she's Hillary. Hillary got away with no charges because she's a politician.

Also, Kran is right but for the wrong reasons. Nobody cares when things work because things are working. Of course they get angry when it doesn't.

Good leaders know sometimes it's nobody's fault. Shitty ones scream and cast blame until it's fixed without actually helping.

Both result in fixed problems. One results in resentment.

[Dotsudoku]

was established in the IG report that when people brought up that Hillary was using a non state.gov email that they were told to keep their mouths shut.

by a staffer?

[zoobernut]

Does the US government count?

Well then I am surprised by what you said in your last post. People generally know the bare minimum they need to know to do their job and rely on other people to keep track of the rest of it. This is more apparent the larger an organization is and the higher up in that organization you go.

[Dotsudoku]

are you though? He's probably the very same workhorse/scapegoat that you're describing by correlary. Therein lies the resentment

that said, get over it. This isn't a new structural model, and it certainly isn't specific to this woman or her office

[Krandor]

Oh the resentment is real. It's the same reason that I've yet to find a single member of the military who supports Clinton, and most actively despise her regardless of their feelings about Trump.

[Andalusian girls]

do you know any minorities

[Dotsudoku]

not a great time to miss the forest, but that doesn't sound like the type of person to be reasoned with regardless

also, almost every military contact I have is #withher. Only one I know who isn't is young and not the brightest. And white

[Krandor]

do you know any minorities

Well I know myself and according to the Coast Guard I'm Hispanic.

I haven't gone out of my way to ask any minorities at the various units I work with their specific political leanings, but the two black people at my specific unit are anti Hillary (with one being pro Trump)