2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Tymon]

10th Dan legendary IRL trolling here.

[Quicklet]

Not learning personal responsibility because you have rich parents who don't set boundaries for you is not a disadvantage.

[Cjskater]

This is my go-to excuse whenever Andalusian yells at me.

I absolutely love the replies to this tweet.
https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/756331548618608640

lol that smug ass grin on alex is my favorite

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I don't miss being one of the kids that got to take a field trip to walmart to buy some clothes in primary school, but I don't think I'd have nearly the same macguyver aptitude I have now otherwise. Necessity is the mother of invention or whatever

Everyone grows up with some sort of disadvantage depending on who you're comparing them to. I think the argument could be made though that growing up poor puts you at a greater disadvantage in life in general than growing up rich

I agree.

[Cail]

Not learning personal responsibility because you have rich parents who don't set boundaries for you is not a disadvantage.

100%

[Tymon]

I would say it isn't an argument to be made, it's glaringly obvious. You are unbelievably, unabashedly, obviously more disadvantaged being poor than rich while growing up. Being told you can't eat tonight is a hell of a lot more of a disadvantage than being told you can't have the Ferrari for your 16th birthday and have to settle for the Rolls Royce.

The perception and context of disadvantage is important to define though. Is a child who grows up rich with no boundaries and turns into a shithead a victim? I would absolutely say yes they are, but it's important to define what kind of victim they are. Otherwise, you just look like an out of touch asshole (read: Carson)

You can choose to interpret Carson's statements, whether they are his intended interpretation or not, as implying that a child growing up with everything is at a social disadvantage to most; such a wealthy environment requires strong, effective parenting to prevent said child from becoming a douche, which is what he's praising Trump for supposedly doing with his kids.

Or you can just take what he said at face value and believe he's a doctor that's out of touch with reality. Neither are wrong. That's what opinions and shitposting on BG are for.

[Blubbartron]

I would say it isn't an argument to be made, it's glaringly obvious. You are unbelievably, unabashedly, obviously more disadvantaged being poor than rich while growing up. Being told you can't eat tonight is a hell of a lot more of a disadvantage than being told you can't have the Ferrari for your 16th birthday and have to settle for the Rolls Royce.

The perception and context of disadvantage is important to define though. Is a child who grows up rich with no boundaries and turns into a shithead a victim? I would absolutely say yes they are, but it's important to define what kind of victim they are. Otherwise, you just look like an out of touch asshole (read: Carson)

You can choose to interpret Carson's statements, whether they are his intended interpretation or not, as implying that a child growing up with everything is at a social disadvantage to most; such a wealthy environment requires strong, effective parenting to prevent said child from becoming a douche, which is what he's praising Trump for supposedly doing with his kids.

Or you can just take what he said at face value and believe he's a doctor that's out of touch with reality. Neither are wrong. That's what opinions and shitposting on BG are for.

Nice to see a reasonable post in these parts for a change.

[Vaspinne]

You know it's bad when Junior is worried about being the last Republican President

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politi...ent/index.html

As much hoopla and grandiose Trump was able to produce at the Convention, I can't help but think there were a lot of notable Republican no-shows. And while he may seem like he has all this momentum going for him, my gut feeling is that the divide among the Republicans is a lot deeper than it seems. I wouldn't be surprised not so much that he gets blown out of the water, but moreso that the Republican voter turnout is a lot lower as a result of the divide which ultimately leads to his downfall moreso than Hillary destroying him in the election.

[Tymon]

I'd be stunned if he loses in a landslide. I expect all of the GOP blowhards that are trying to sound defiant to see the polls narrow in the weeks leading up to the election, start to panic because they realize they might actually cost him the election, and all end up voting anyway. And still lose, albeit narrowly.

[Zealot]

Trump really making an attempt to draw in minority voters and Bernie supporters with that speech.

[Byrthnoth]

Maybe Kaine for Clinton VP: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...m-kaine-226013

[Olo401]

Trump really making an attempt to draw in minority voters and Bernie supporters with that speech.

The only way either of those groups votes for him in any significant number is if they're guaranteed safe passage on the first plane out of the country on November 9th.

[Cail]

'Xenophobia, racism and egocentrism' - world media react to to Trump speech

World media reaction to businessman Donald Trump's speech accepting the Republican Party's nomination for the presidential election has varied from region to region.

Latin American writers were disappointed by what they saw as the "racist" content of his address whilst Middle East journalists said they saw nothing new.

Mexican daily El Universal found "the only surprise" was that the speech did not contain the same amount of "barbarities" as before.

"Xenophobia, racism and egocentrism" formed the key points of the speech, according to Venezuelan-based news channel TeleSur which noted that Mr Trump blamed immigrants for the economic crisis whilst ignoring the millions of dollars spent on "unjustified military invasions".

"Demagogic, populist and racist" was Brazilian news portal Ultimo Segundo's view of the speech and it quoted a pundit who suggested that Mr Trump's rhetoric was effective because of the "incessant search by the Republican electorate for a common enemy".

In the Middle East, pan-Arab Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera TV channels highlighted Mr Trump's pledges on security and terrorism but said he gave no detail of future policy.

An Al-Jazeera TV reporter said "Trump lavished Americans with promises but, as usual, he forgot to tell them how he would achieve them".

Al-Arabiya TV said Mr Trump vowed to defeat the so-called Islamic State but added that he continued to blame his rival, Hillary Clinton, for its rise. Al-Arabiya's correspondent complained she heard "nothing new" in his remarks and no alternatives to current policy.

In China, national state TV also focused on Mr Trump's speech with Shanghai's Dragon TV correspondent saying the two key points were "security" and "prosperity", with a mention of China "three times".

But Chinese government mouthpiece People's Daily accused Mr Trump of making "groundless accusations against China on currency manipulations and the theft of US intellectual property."

Independent financial news website Caixin, however, noted that Mr Trump's motto of "Americanism" has struck a chord with online readers. It said he plans "to put US interests first, with the US creed of 'Americanism' instead of 'Globalism'".

Some European papers were disturbed by Mr Trump's "apocalyptic message on America's decline" as German broadsheet Die Welt put it.

While acknowledging that Mr Trump "delivered an effective and well-calculated speech" - which it described as his "most coherent" for a long time - the daily said that he painted "a bleak picture of America".

"'Crime, violence, poverty' was his negative message", it added.

Munich-based daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung agreed, saying that Mr Trump used the right-wing media's image of the USA being "a post-apocalyptic wasteland". His main message was that "America is ruined and he is the solution", the paper said.

German-language news website Spiegel Online said the acceptance speech showed a different man. "No repulsive macho, no shameless narcissist", it noted, but added that his subject matter remained unchanged.

"Lies, paranoid visions, abstruse promises, uncomplicated appeals to white America. The USA destroyed, threatened from within (crime) and outside (terrorism)... Everything is still there, just packaged differently," it observed.

French newspaper Le Monde pointed out that Mr Trump had departed from the party line over the LGBTQ community, which he now promised to protect, despite the GOP's plan to revisit the issue of gay marriage.

However in Russia, Mr Trump's departure from party policy apparently went unnoticed as state-owned Rossiya 1 TV reported that "no political sensation took place" and Gazprom-owned NTV noted that "there was no mention of Russia" in his acceptance speech.

But a correspondent for Russian state-run news channel, Rossiya 24, said: "No matter how the election campaign pans out, it is the main speech of his life."

[Zealot]

How does he justify blaming Hillary Clinton for the rise of ISIS?

[Tyrath]

Same way he justifies anything. Because he said so.

[Sho]

Same way he justifies anything. Because he said so.

The spin really is amazing, and he's locked in most of the GOP vote with it.

He managed to paint Clinton as the ultimate establishment figure while running under the political party that has been the main establishment heads since the Nixon years. It really is amazing to watch, but should remind us of the power of social media in 2016. With enough clout, fame and social media presence, people will believe anything that comes out of a specific person's mouth.

Granted Clinton is as establishment as it gets, she's still a much better centered candidate than most (if not all, sans Biden who didn't run) of the entire field of presidential hopefuls for 2016.

[Krandor]

Wikileaks dumped all the emails from the DNC Hack.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

I'm sure /pol/ will be along with the dank memes soon.

[Byrthnoth]

lol, I love how China takes every opportunity to act like they're not manipulating the fuck out of their currency and to point out that they totally aren't stealing intellectual property. Ugh, how could anyone think that about poor, innocent China?

[Sho]

lol, I love how China takes every opportunity to act like they're not manipulating the fuck out of their currency and to point out that they totally aren't stealing intellectual property. Ugh, how could anyone think that about poor, innocent China?

Baidu (Google-clone), Sina Weibo (Twitter-clone), Alibaba (online commerce rival), Renren (Facebook-clone), Youku (Youtube-clone), Baidu Space (MySpace-clone), Zhihu (Quora-clone), and others exist. They don't even try to hide this shit at all and the make money off of it.

In this Trump is not wrong at all, but how do you stop them from doing whatever the fuck they want when they don't follow international copyright law in the first place?

Also just off to the side, they are also building businesses in Africa and taking all of the oil in return. Amazing how they can do all of this shit, but not take care of billions of their people. Their government is full of scumbags.

[archibaldcrane]

Amazing how they can do all of this shit, but not take care of billions of their people.

To be fair the rise of China's middle class in the past couple decades has driven the largest escape from absolute poverty in world history. Over 800 million Chinese lived on less than $1.25/day when I was born in 1980, that figure is down to 100 million today, even as their total population has grown by nearly 400 million in that time frame.

[Cail]

I laughed

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