2016 USA Presidential election thread I: The warm-up

[Day]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/columns_...3a51defc8.html

from my itty bitty home town. trump comes, leaves doors open to hotel roanoke a couple hours, mad it's hot in there, guy writes op column, gets roasted by colleagues and readers. hilarious stuff.

[Olo401]

Alot of Republicans won't speak out about it the same reason the Dems won't shit all over Hillary's mountain of flaws. Can't sit here complaining about wanting one party to stand against their candidate when the other side is propping up a figure just as flawed.

The reason no one's 'shitting all over her flaws' is more than half of these 'flaws' aren't even true and the rest are nothing compared to the shit Trump's done just in the past year.

[Krandor]

And the media hasn't made up shit about Trump that people are just lapping up because the news said so? The same media networks whose owners have donated to Clinton mind you.

Both major party candidates are complete dumpster fires, and you're naive to think any different.

[Tyrath]

Both major party candidates are complete dumpster fires, and you're naive to think any different.

Thats the mistake though. One is, the other is nowhere close to it but suddenly they're both being treated as such on equal terms.

[kisada]

what exactly has been falsified from the media about trump? literally everything that is shitty about him can be traced directly to the source, like twitter or from a rally. he's not someone that needs to be lied about to see just how much of a shitbrain he is.

[Byrthnoth]

BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES!

Enforcing bipartisanship in Clinton vs. Trump comparisons is comparable to enforcing it for climatologists vs. climate change skeptics. Clinton has the majority of experts on her side on the vast majority of issues within her platform, while Trump has:
1) A tax plan that pretty much everyone agrees would add trillions to the deficit (most said >10 trillion in 20 years last I checked)
2) An immigration plan that's as stupid as it is infeasible
3) Supports a variety of unconstitutional and/or impossible actions

You can shrug off those points and say that he's just being a good salesman and recruiting stupid, racist voters so he can get in the White House, but if you strip away all the stupid shit he's said he will do there's pretty much nothing left. At that point, you have to argue that you support him because of what he has done in the past, and anything more than a cursory glance reveals that is a pretty shitty argument too.

[BerenTebogo]

BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES!

Enforcing bipartisanship in Clinton vs. Trump comparisons is comparable to enforcing it for climatologists vs. climate change skeptics. Clinton has the majority of experts on her side on the vast majority of issues within her platform, while Trump has:
1) A tax plan that pretty much everyone agrees would add trillions to the deficit (most said >10 trillion in 20 years last I checked)
2) An immigration plan that's as stupid as it is infeasible
3) Supports a variety of unconstitutional and/or impossible actions

You can shrug off those points and say that he's just being a good salesman and recruiting stupid, racist voters so he can get in the White House, but if you strip away all the stupid shit he's said he will do there's pretty much nothing left. At that point, you have to argue that you support him because of what he has done in the past, and anything more than a cursory glance reveals that is a pretty shitty argument too.

Next you're gonna try to tell me that the flat-earthers shouldn't be allowed to give talks at APS. Fucking fascist.

[dasva]

Thats the mistake though. One is, the other is nowhere close to it but suddenly they're both being treated as such on equal terms.

Well they could both be complete trash but one could be much much trashier.

[Byrthnoth]

Next you're gonna try to tell me that the flat-earthers shouldn't be allowed to give talks at APS. Fucking fascist.

Ugh, are you one of those who insists on imposing superficial three dimensional descriptions on our environments? Maybe Earth is flat but space is spherical, you know?

[BerenTebogo]

Ugh, are you one of those who insists on imposing superficial three dimensional descriptions on our environments? Maybe Earth is flat but space is spherical, you know?

Space is clearly dodecahedral. How else would string theory work? Checkmate, Trumpers.

[AidenCarby]

Get out science'd, kids.

[Zealot]

No, I don't believe in space. Everything ends at the atmosphere. Stars are bits of the eternal white void beyond that leak through because of pollution putting holes in the ozone. Look at medieval charts, they had way fewer stars than we do because the air wasn't filled with autism like now.

[Tyrath]

Well they could both be complete trash but one could be much much trashier.

I don't really think Hillary is trash though. She's a politician, obviously, but she's not the monster the GOP has been painting her for the last decade.

[Headspace]

The reason no one's 'shitting all over her flaws' is more than half of these 'flaws' aren't even true and the rest are nothing compared to the shit Trump's done just in the past year.

What the fuck, she has tons of flaws.

Whats wrong with her? O I don't know...

1) Her constantly shifting view on the Iraq war
2) Her love of foreign political donations and other bad fundraising activities
3) Used 9/11 to win federal grants for her cooperate campaign donors
4) Controls all information surrounding her
5) Desire for collectivism and government control

Other than those and the fact she is a fucking loon, she would make a great president!

[Tyrath]

What the fuck, she has tons of flaws.

And his comment never even suggested she didn't.

[tyven]

And his comment never even suggested she didn't.

OH NO

[Tyrath]

Oh goddamnit, I didn't even look who was posting before I responded.

[Zealot]

What the fuck, she has tons of flaws.

Whats wrong with her? O I don't know...

1) Her constantly shifting view on the Iraq war
2) Her love of foreign political donations and other bad fundraising activities
3) Used 9/11 to win federal grants for her cooperate campaign donors
4) Controls all information surrounding her
5) Desire for collectivism and government control

Other than those and the fact she is a fucking loon, she would make a great president!

If you listed Hillary Clinton's accomplishments without a name or photo, people would be wondering why this amazing mystery candidate is not running against her.

[dasva]

I don't really think Hillary is trash though. She's a politician, obviously, but she's not the monster the GOP has been painting her for the last decade.

Well Trump isn't really a monster either really. Mostly just a lot of hot air and demagoguery and impossibilities. I think the point kind of was you are a lot more likely to be forgiving of the flaws of those you support or even not see them as flaws at all and be a lot less lenient against those you oppose. But hey it's all good one persons trash is another persons politician

[Headspace]

If you listed Hillary Clinton's accomplishments without a name or photo, people would be wondering why this amazing mystery candidate is not running against her.

Hillary is three things:

- Politician
- Lawyer
- Woman

If that combination doesn't set off alarms I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you. Add in all the shady things from her first 8 years in the White House and I can't imagine why people would vote for her outside of the whole "Hurray, it's not TRUMP!" factor.

No good can come of this. One can only hope that the unwashed masses go with the tried and true "I'll vote for whoever is younger and better looking" method of candidate selection and make Johnson the choice.