2015 NFL Off-Season Thread: Fuck tom

[Dimmauk]

Thug life.

[tyven]

i hate b4rdy as much or more than the next guy but based on the punishments the falcons and browns got, its a crock of shit if brady gets anything more than a small fine

[Anoat]

GOT EEEEEEEEEM, will never fail to make me lol

[NinjaLotter]

The texts, the free gifts, Tom's attention to air pressure, etc. If you actually believe that two guys, who joke about hating Tom Brady (yet get expensive gifts from him) and joke about the PSI of the balls, acted to deflate balls individually and without the knowledge of Brady, someone keenly aware of ball pressure, then you may be the most unapologetic bottom feeder the NFL threads have witnessed. And there's some incredible competition there.

As far as why people do not care about the Colts, I'm guessing, is because the sole source of that information as far as I know is Robert Craft. A cursory glance through the Wells report didn't show the Colts PSI numbers.

Everybody bombs on Brady for years about handing Uggs out to everyone and now all of a sudden its "suspicious" lol.

Every quarterback in the NFL pays attention to air pressure.

What text?

You're so full of shit. Copy/paste this `evidence` from the report and put it in the thread. I could use the laugh.

[Tyche]

i hate b4rdy as much or more than the next guy but based on the punishments the falcons and browns got, its a crock of shit if brady gets anything more than a small fine

I think the punishment should go to the organization as opposed to the individuals. $500,000 and a 3rd or 4th rounder.

[Krandor]

I think the punishment should go to the organization as opposed to the individuals. $500,000 and a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Hahahaha, no.

If there is any punishment I can't see it being anymore then a slap on the wrist fine of a few k to Brady. As is the whole thing is circumstantial evidence just piled up on itself, I don't think anything will actually come out of this other then some press conference and media tears.

[Tyche]

Everybody bombs on Brady for years about handing Uggs out to everyone and now all of a sudden its "suspicious" lol.

Every quarterback in the NFL pays attention to air pressure.

What text?

You're so full of shit. Copy/paste this `evidence` from the report and put it in the thread. I could use the laugh.

He didn't hand out UGGs you dipshit, he handed out autographed footballs and jersey's. Even my cursory glance of the report seems to be more effort that you've shown. Texts have been posted here and other places, show that he lied about knowing McNally, and that he was critical of the way balls were inflated. Get your head out of your ass.

[Tyche]

Hahahaha, no.

If there is any punishment I can't see it being anymore then a slap on the wrist fine of a few k to Brady. As is the whole thing is circumstantial evidence just piled up on itself, I don't think anything will actually come out of this other then some press conference and media tears.

Goodell has shown a propensity to come down harder on repeat offenders and the pats got a 250k fine and a 1st rounder for spygate. I don't think this is as big a deal (in the eye of the public), but they're still getting ripped for it. Goodell will come down on this I believe.

[NinjaLotter]

Wait, so Tom Brady gave a Gillette stadium employee some autographed shit?

Stop the presses. A smoking gun

[Krandor]

And didn't the report say the Pats as an organization did nothing wrong and that it was "more probable than not" solely the actions of McNally and Jastremski and "more probable than not" that Brady was also involved/aware?

[Celeras]

More probable than not is a legal term. Its how lawyers write reports. Its the equivalent of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for a criminal trial.

The Patriots organization did nothing wrong... just their hired employees and franchise player. And coach if you go by the Payton precedent of "ignorance is no excuse".

[NinjaLotter]

More probable than not is a legal term. Its how lawyers write reports. Its the equivalent of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for a criminal trial.

And you're a big proponent of lawyer-speak now (prosecutor lawyer speak)

[Tyche]

And didn't the report say the Pats as an organization did nothing wrong and that it was "more probable than not" solely the actions of McNally and Jastremski and "more probable than not" that Brady was also involved/aware?

Bill B took a 500k fine and was found t be the major offender in spygate. Pats still got hit.

[Krandor]

Its the equivalent of "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Except it's not?

[Celeras]

Except it's not?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

Ctrl-F, More probable than not.

Preponderance of evidence is to civil court as beyond a reasonable doubt is to criminal.

This is my job were talking about now.

[NinjaLotter]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

Ctrl-F, More probable than not.

Preponderance of evidence is to civil court as beyond a reasonable doubt is to criminal.

This is my job were talking about now.

Aside from the fact that his opinion, barring evidence, is just a worthless opinion, "more probably than not" does not mean "beyond a reasonable doubt."

If that's your job, you're bad at it

[Celeras]

I didn't say it meant it. I said it was the civil equivalent.

You don't need beyond a reasonable doubt for a guilty verdict unless its a criminal case. You need more probable than not.

[Tyche]

Aside from the fact that his opinion, barring evidence, is just a worthless opinion, "more probably than not" does not mean "beyond a reasonable doubt."

If that's your job, you're bad at it

What a dumb, meaningless quote. His opinion matters where it matters, which is the court of Goodell. Nothing civil would (should?) come out of this. But when you're writing an opinion from an investigation, legalese matters.

[Krandor]

Celeras isn't wrong, but his initial comment about it, while again not wrong, was kinda worded in a way to skew in his favor.

He's saying that more probable than not/preponderance of evidence is the burden of proof required in civil cases, and it's equivalent in a criminal case is beyond a reasonable doubt.

The way he was wording it that post was fairly easy to interpret as implying that more probable than not and beyond a reasonable doubt are the same thing.

Edit : that's how I was interpreting it and I'm assuming how NL is, so I rescind my prior post questioning you.

[NinjaLotter]

The Colts balls were under inflated, too.

This click-bait hysteria is amazing.

The very same game. Colts balls. Under inflated. Same game. Different sideline. "Brady needs to get suspended."

Idiocracy irl.