Triple Triad Thread

[PYD]

So on Gilgamesh, one guy has 2803. Average higher than 140.

How do you reach this?
An army of alts? Unlikely, he was already in the 2500s on the first day.
What is the secret, where is the theorycrafting about this?

Even if it changes on the next patch (March 31st) it'd be nice to know the secret.
And if it doesn't change then the secret can finally be used by anyone if its discovered and then it'll be a 'race' to the top

[Arthars]

you pay peeps for their virgin loss, or "promise" each other to take turns for future tourney

[Rocl]

Third place was 50k MGP if anyone was curious. Either way, Cecil get.

Probably 1st - 140k
2nd - 100k
3rd - 50k

Next tourney prize is Firion.

[Shaano]

12 win 2 loss 6 draw put me in 15th with ~2100, draw's are the worst still, needs more sudden death. I feel I could of placed better if I had 18 win 2 loss

[Kipling]

you pay peeps for their virgin loss, or "promise" each other to take turns for future tourney

Just trading alts gives you a decent amount, but not enough to win.

[Kirbyprime]

Depends on your server I guess. On Hyperion, it seems the people who were high scorers stopped caring this week. We ended up with top 3 being 2700~, 2700~, 2500~. Full alt trading would have gotten in top 3.

[Sigmakan]

Im probably doing it wrong, but beating a 0-0 person netted me 125, and beating an 18-0 person netted me the same amount. Even with 20 wins thats 2500, how are people getting higher than that with fewer wins?

[Yukari]

Depends on your server I guess. On Hyperion, it seems the people who were high scorers stopped caring this week. We ended up with top 3 being 2700~, 2700~, 2500~. Full alt trading would have gotten in top 3.

Just getting 20 virgin wins would have gotten you 2560, since they're worth 128 each. No, the people in the top bracket were definitely doing some things.

Im probably doing it wrong, but beating a 0-0 person netted me 125, and beating an 18-0 person netted me the same amount. Even with 20 wins thats 2500, how are people getting higher than that with fewer wins?

Depends on who the 18-0 person fought. If he was playing vs players, I guarantee you he'd be worth more than 100 on view.

[Kirbyprime]

There are some other modifiers to how it works, but the basis of it is that everyone starts off at 100 points.

Your "worth" is roughly equiv to total points / #matches + 1. Beating a NPC worth 91 points total will give you a worth of around 96. There are other factors to this but this will do for now.

Given that a 0/0/0 will give you anywhere from 125-132 ( range might be a bit more? ) you're most likely going to end the tournament at 2560 which depending on server would have gotten you in the top 3.

If you want higher, you'd either need a combination of skill, luck, or lots of gil / friends. You'd most likely need to have all 20 of your wins be people with x/0/0 with X being # of wins that are 100 or higher. Pretty much means you either need to actively find / beat people who have scores higher than 100. Have 40 alts / friends to buff points. Or just plain pay for it.

Back to Sig's scenario. Chances are the 18-0 person had a combination of NPC wins / player wins which averaged out his score to 95-100~ or so which would have made him as useful as a 0/0/0 alt.

[Sigmakan]

For that scenario I actually had 18 wins by playing a friends alt. Then his main played against me and won, and only got 120-130 (I forget the exact value).

[solracht]

that's because the alt you were playing lost "worth" after every match due to losing

[Niiro]

Why would there be any kind of "range" vs someone that's 0/0/0....

[Rocl]

I'm not sure if you're questioning the existence of the variance or bemoaning the poor design choice, but it definitely exists.

Considering I lost 2nd place by ~3 points I'm not exactly happy it exists either but whatever I got mine

[Deadgye]

Why would there be any kind of "range" vs someone that's 0/0/0....

Isn't the range based off how many cards each of you has at the end of the match? Like 9/1 gives slightly more than 6/4? (I haven't bothered testing if this is true or complete bullshit.)

[Kirbyprime]

It shouldn't be purely based on # of flipped cards. For the most part, being +2 would give 132 points but there have been times where I've gotten that just by being +1. It's probably slightly more complex and based off of how many cards you flipped, whether you flipped 2 cards with 1, etc etc.

Hopefully this gets patched and tournaments become more meaningful, but I assume that most people that have 2700++ points right now are having 20+ characters feeding them and by using Elmer to buff their points. Elmer gives... I think? 120~ points? I haven't farmed him ever since I was one of those that got Bahamut within 20 wins but I assume the win rate is pretty good since people farm MGP off him.

[Kipling]

Isn't the range based off how many cards each of you has at the end of the match? Like 9/1 gives slightly more than 6/4? (I haven't bothered testing if this is true or complete bullshit.)

No. Cards claimed has nothing to do with how many points you get. It's purely determined by the amount of wins and losses the other person has when you beat them.

Source: I tested this multiple times with alts during week 1. Even in matches where I won by one card and matches where I claimed every single card on the board, the point value never fluctuated.

[PYD]

Saw a #1 at 2848 on another server

What is the math to get such a high amount of points D:

[Sigmakan]

that's because the alt you were playing lost "worth" after every match due to losing

I understand that. My point was that when his main played me(18-0) he got the exact same amount as when I played his alt (0-0) the first time. So it seems playing someone who is 18-0 is worth the same as someone who is 0-0

[Adajer]

fuck, i forgot to compete in the tourny

[PYD]

I understand that. My point was that when his main played me(18-0) he got the exact same amount as when I played his alt (0-0) the first time. So it seems playing someone who is 18-0 is worth the same as someone who is 0-0

Its not the amount of wins, its the QUALITY of the wins. Basically your own personal average determines the value others get for defeating you

A fights B and wins
C fights D and wins

A and C are now worth 110

A and C fight, A wins, in theory A's average should go up so that if someone else challenges A, that person will gain even more points if he/she wins. Its pyramidal.
But the guy on Gilgamesh is saying it doesnt take an army of alts to get that 140+ average, so there is another factor I'm missing.