Vagary Findings

[Loire]

We poped both in the same run, yes.

They would not let me pop both off the same skillchain. To see if you can have both up at the same time. FOR SCIENCE.

[Cyleena]

Does someone who possess both Ashen and False King KIs managed to pop Plouton before Perfidien or to get an upgrade msg on False King KI before Ashen KI?

We popped both in same run as confirmed on page 20, post 390. Body NM popped 2nd.

[Ramzii]

no spawn after 6 attempts, will try more tomorrow

MBing comet seemed to get us the first message, even if it didn't kill the monster (only 1 instance this occurred.)
After completing condition 1, we couldn't complete the 2nd magic condition.

After that, we did magic kills first, got that condition completed and then we couldn't MB comet for the 2nd condition. We tried to do t1/2 scs with t1 nukes a few times as well and that didn't give us a message.

Tomorrow i'll try doing t1/2 scs + t1 mabs the entire way through. If that doesn't work, we'll do the magic kills, and then t1/2 scs+ t1 mabs. If THAT doesn't work, then we'll try MABing impact on darkness and doing magic kills as well. If that doesn't work, well then I'm outta fucken ideas!

[Reain]

We finally managed to pop plouton and kill but I can't say for sure how.

We theorized an abyssea style weakness to a random element/day related element and worked our way through MBing each element. It popped to or slightly before a 5k+ damage luminohelix magic burst on an earth elemental that didn't kill it.

Complete speculation and I don't want to send anyone on a wild goose chase but it could possibly be deal more than 5000 damage MB of a specific or random element. Deal 10,000+ cumulative magic burst damage of a random element, deal 10,000+ cumulative magic burst damage of every element.

Or it could be none of the above. Time for sleep though. Good luck.

[hongo]

lol this has been some amusing reads, Cyleena and co got you all rustled pretty nicely.

[mredave]

I was thinking the same for days of the week. But no one listens to the bard. Someone take note of the day of the week you enter on and try the elements opposite yesterday, today and tomorrow. We've been at it for 8 hours now, all too tired to try one more...
(it would explain why you got 2 done on the same Aero MB. weakness against earth mob and entered on the right day for the weakness proc spell)

[Fival]

From what we saw, targeting elementals of the light branch (fire, wind) with a 2 step darkness and magic bursting impact for 7k and lunar bay for a lot more, with the lunar bay killing as well, we got the message pretty routinely. On the occassion i missed the impact cause of timer or just bad timing on my part and say comet killed before anything else could land, it would tend to take us more elementals to finally get the message. Same goes for when we used malaise and impact would one shot. And i don't think we ever saw a message off a single magic burst killshot, in fact theres a chance we were getting the message from an impact magic burst before lunar bay landed on some occasions. Everything after that first message was incredibly easy for us, doing the triggers we already knew.

We didn't take the time to narrow down the exact magic burst mechanic once we found out magic bursting dark base spells worked we just repeated it 5 times to farm, rather then nail it down.

[Saevel]

Made an account to post about this. Myself and Raistlyn were the two BLU's in that run and we coordinated the SC's while letting our Geo know which MB's to coordinate amongst the nukers. We've pretty much nailed down the pop conditions but only after several trial & error runs, which is why we didn't immediately post "how we did it". Upgrade messages are unique to each key item, so you can pop both a T4 and a T5 in the same run if the person entering has them.

Our strategy that worked so far is,

Kill 10 elementals with their weak element from free nukes. We would do water on the fire elementals and then fire on the ice elementals and then CDC ->CDC + wind for the earth elementals. This method never failed to get the first stage upgrade message on both our KI's.

Kill 10~12 elementals after doing a SC + MB of the opposing element. We would do Seraph Blade -> Red Lotus Blade on the ice elementals for liquefaction then MB fire 1 nukes. Again you can get both KI messages one after 5~8 kills the other after 10~12 kills.

Conduct a four step SC to pop the T4, conduct a six step SC to pop the T5, no MBing or other crazyness is required.
Initially our SC was Red Lotus Blade -> Seraph Blade = Scission -> Red Lotus Blade = Liquefaction -> Flat Blade = Fusion -> Savage Blade = Light -> CDC = Double Light and he immediately poped after I did CDC. This was our first POP and someone had MB'd on the earlier SC's so we weren't exactly sure on the pop mechanics. This is the initial "we poped it!" picture.

Later we amended our process to just alternating RLB and Seraph after we poped the T4 with a fusion SC. Seraph and RLB were opposite each other and can infinite chain for weak T1s. Doing this we poped the T5 boss twice, no burst required. In fact the elemental that we poped it on was still alive and at 60% HP when the boss poped, our PLD brought it into a corner while the mages finished off the elemental and we started buff cycles. It's also worth mentioning that myself and Raist equiped two low level swords and disabled gearswap so that we could efficiently SC and not kill the elementals with it. If anyone dies at any point then all upgrading ceases, you might as well exit and reenter.

[Yeager]

Kill 10~12 elementals after doing a SC + MB of the opposing element. We would do Seraph Blade -> Red Lotus Blade on the ice elementals for liquefaction then MB fire 1 nukes. Again you can get both KI messages one after 5~8 kills the other after 10~12 kills.

I call bullshit on this right here, and here's why.

We just wasted 4 hours tonight trying this exact thing. We did the standard "Kill 10 elementals with their weak element from free nukes" and got first message. Then with the remaining Ice elementals and beyond, we did exactly what the quote says. We did Fusion SC (Tachi: Kagero > Tachi: Koki) and T1 Fire MB. Then we proceeded to do the same with the Earth elementals (MB T1 Aero) and then the Air Elementals (MB T1 Blizzard) and we even went as far as going to the Thunder elementals and doing a Scission SC and MB T1 Stone. NO UPGRADE! We tried this for 4 fucking hours.

We have verified the 10 magic kills with their weak element, and we have verified the 6 Step SC via Tachi: Jinpu spam (we tried that out just to see if we got message despite being "out of order") But the quoted section is the gray area for us, and thus far, every suggestion that's been posted here has been, to our experience, complete and utter bullshit.

[Cyleena]

lol this has been some amusing reads, Cyleena and co got you all rustled pretty nicely.

Was not even trying.... got some ppl in my ls excited for wins so posted ss but we were still working out details, and trying out different things and everyone just started on us, saying this or that...sigh...some people need to chill out, and stop jumping to conclusions. I, for one do not go looking for drama, or troll forums because there is plenty of people on ffxi that do that well enough, and I think most people on Asura know this...

[Hazanko]

Hello, my group just popped 2 Ploutons. Lost first pop cause of some deaths. Won second (sash,2 matters, and claw). The pop conditions we aimed for were Fire kills on ice elementals and wind kills on earth which prompted 1st KI message after about 12-15 kills I want to say. The second message was achieved after doing several kills with doing a Fudo and Rana Darkness SC and bursting with Impact and Comet with multiple people on Fire Elementals, killing the elemental. Lastly we had a samurai spam jinpu on a wind elemental. This last step took a few pulls and the samurai also did a couple 6 step lights. The Jinpu spam is what prompted Plouton to pop and we're certain the 6 step skillchain didn't have any influence was just demonstrated to appease some people who suggested it. Both pops occurred under the 15 min. mark as well, and we're unsure if that's a requirement also.

Plouton exhibited a damage resistance to ranged attacks under 50%, and we think that was caused by having skillchains heal him too much, but we're not certain. Hope this helps, and good luck.

edit: sorry for the lack of a screen shot, wasn't thinking about it at the time. If you're on Leviathan server, I have 2 dark matter in bazaar, and the title.

[Magitek]

Thank you Saevel, hopefully we can get it to pop doing what you did.

@Yaegar, Are you having two people chain like he is (2 blus) or one sam self skillchaining?

The second message was achieved after doing several kills with doing a Fudo and Rana Darkness SC and bursting with Impact and Comet with multiple people on Fire Elementals, killing the elemental

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We tried doing this on 2 seperate runs for the second upgrade and could not get it, with regular nuke kills being the first upgrade. However, we could get the message if we did it first, as Ramzus noted a few posts up.

[Cyleena]

Hello, my group just popped 2 Ploutons. Lost first pop cause of some deaths. Won second (sash,2 matters, and claw). The pop conditions we aimed for were Fire kills on ice elementals and wind kills on earth which prompted 1st KI message after about 12-15 kills I want to say. The second message was achieved after doing several kills with doing a Fudo and Rana Darkness SC and bursting with Impact and Comet with multiple people on Fire Elementals, killing the elemental. Lastly we had a samurai spam jinpu on a wind elemental. This last step took a few pulls and the samurai also did a couple 6 step lights. The Jinpu spam is what prompted Plouton to pop and whether the 6 step skillchain had any influence, I am unable to say. Both pops occurred under the 15 min. mark as well, and we're unsure if that's a requirement also.

Plouton exhibited a damage resistance to ranged attacks under 50%, and we think that was caused by having skillchains heal him too much, but we're not certain. Hope this helps, and good luck.

edit: sorry for the lack of a screen shot, wasn't thinking about it at the time. If you're on Leviathan server, I have 2 dark matter in bazaar, and the title.

Congratulations on your win!

[Cyleena]

Thank you Saevel, hopefully we can get it to pop doing what you did.

@Yaegar, Are you having two people chain like he is (2 blus) or one sam self skillchaining?

Good luck I hope you can get the win soon, and yeah we did not do solo sc. We had more then one person wsing.

[Cyleena]

Also if you can have the luxury of having your group on a call like skype, vent, or teamspeak that helps a lot when doing sc and mb.

[Yeager]

@Yaegar, Are you having two people chain like he is (2 blus) or one sam self skillchaining?

Yes, we're using 2 SAMs. So as for how we were not getting the upgrade is beyond me, at this point.

[Cyleena]

It's also worth mentioning that myself and Raist equiped two low level swords and disabled gearswap so that we could efficiently SC and not kill the elementals with it. If anyone dies at any point then all upgrading ceases, you might as well exit and reenter.

Keeping sc dmg low on ele so can do MB is important. If you wear 119 weapons you will kill them too fast. Thanks for posting strat Saevel.

[Saevel]

I call bullshit on this right here, and here's why.

Worked three times for us, it's also how we get the T4 to pop just for longer.

That is what works for us and is a result of us whittling it down. One time we went in and during that phase someone died and we couldn't get any upgrade messages after that even on our T4 KI. When we had two KI's on our entry guy, we would get both upgrade messages so make sure whomever is entering is paying attention and not losing it in chat log spam.

[Cyleena]

Also the person that has KI and entered you is the person that the NM will pop on. This is confirmed.

[Targaryen]

Ok we cleared this on Bahamut and here was our strat on clear, we did 10 magic kills for first hue then we did MB kills by doing Light SC and killed 3-4 mobs with fire MB and 3-4 kills with Thunder MB then 3-4 kills with Aero MB then 3-4 kills and with Light MB which we did with SCH light nukes 6k+ and PLD Holy 2 nukes for 1.4kish and 4k+ with divine emblem and on one of the Light MB we got the 2nd hue before the earth element died then for the 3rd hue we had SAM pull mobs and spam Jinpu 3-6step SC till Plouton pops