Vagary Findings

[Targaryen]

@Saevel How many kinds of elements did you try MBing and what SCs?

[Targaryen]

@EjinCaitsith we have been getting hue change on Luminohelix MB nukes off Light SC w/o killing the element, can you tell us what nukes and SC are getting you your hue to change and how far you get into the zone before this happens? cause from your previous post it looks like you are doing Fragmentation and nuking Aero and pulling Earth Elements to the hallway before Ice Elemental camp and only doing Wind MB nukes w/o killing the mob till hue change so is this correct? and if so are you skipping pulls on Thunder Elements and heading to MB nukes on Earth Elements directly after the first 10 magic kills hue change? If so then this would mean that any nuke works as long as you are doing MB nukes that do around 7k w/o killing the mob till a hue change.

[EjinCaitsith]

Uh... who said you couldn't pop both at the same time? >_>;;

http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...589a2fe985.jpg

Luckily we had Martel, who easily tanked them both while we killed them 1 by 1.

[Targaryen]

@EjinCaitsith Tanking both at the same time isn't an issue cause you aren't feeding both of them TP at the same time and even if you are you only gotta worry about being double hit at the same time by a big attack, but what we want to know from this is, were you focusing damage and weakness on 1 at a time or both at the same time? cause if you didn't drop 1 boss below 90% while fighting the other then that would mean you can ignore 1 boss as tank holds both NMs and kill 1 by 1 since the 2nd boss isn't much of a threat if you are not feeding it TP and wont warp on you.

[mesheef]

Can confirm 5-6k nukes for MB upgrade now. Only did fire MB on ice ele and wind MB on earth ele.

[Targaryen]

@mesheef nice atleast somebody is replying with more details, so far its looking like any SC MB works without killing the mob on MB, Its just a matter of time when your hue will change it seems as long as you do 5k+ MB but the Earth elementals look like they are giving most of the hue changes we have seen so far.

[mesheef]

Correct we did NOT kill the ele when we MB at 5.7k.
Rana > Fudo (with soboro)
t2 nuke for 5.7k
low hp mob kill with 2nd spell

Edit: We ONLY killed ice with fire MB and earth with Aero MB

[Ramzii]

so to summarize:

10-12 magic kills
10-12 double mbs for 5-7k
6 step sc

[Targaryen]

yes and from what i can tell the 2nd MB on the same mob for 5.7k isn't for the hue its to kill the mob to move onto the next one faster and i think we got a hue from a 3 step Jinpu on wind elements but 6step will always work but if we can get confirmation on the 3 step then that might mean you just need a set number of SCs on the same mob and not need a 6 step.

[mesheef]

Just got 9 fire elemental kills with high tier water spells and 1 ice elemental kill with high tier fire and it changed immediately,
and now on to MB kills again.

Yep the 5.7k-5.8k nukes pulled it off all over again it changed before we passed the ice elementals.


Still seems that 6step has to be done for 3rd condition which is kinda crap to all the DD except for sam.

[Targaryen]

if your having trouble with 6 step then try doing multiple SCs on the same element instead it could possible work.

[Dew]

I can confirm it is only certain amount of mbs with the elementals weak element for 5-8k dmg.

[Univarsity]

so to summarize:

10-12 magic kills
10-12 double mbs for 5-7k
6 step sc

This is exactly what got it for us. 2/2 using this.

[Ramzii]

1/1, took a bit more than 10

did it 2/2, i'm not sure damage is a requirement, just that more than 1 person MBs. # of MBs doesn't affect time to proc either, had 3-4 MBs per mob and still took 10-12 mobs.

[Saevel]

@Saevel How many kinds of elements did you try MBing and what SCs?

We did liquefaction SC on the ice elementals and MBed with multiple fire 1s. The SC was Seraph Blade -> Red Lotus Blade from myself and Raist.

After we killed the ice elementals we switched to CDC -> CDC for light and MBed with multiple aero 1 nukes on the earth elementals. Due to earlier screw ups we ran out of earth elementals and had to finish on wind elementals which was Requiescat -> CDC for darkness with multiple blizzard 1 MBs. After we got our second KI upgrade we then proceded to pop Perfidian with a simple Red Lotus -> Seraph Blade -> Red Lotus -> Flat Blade chain. After we killed Perfidian we pulled another wind elemental and did the same SC but I ended with Savage Blade which poped Plouton. We focused on not dealing high damage on the MB's, tier 1's is sufficient as long as you don't kill it with a single nuke from someone wanting to show off.

You absolutely don't need SAM for this, just two melee's who know how to talk to each other and understand how SCs form. At no point in time have we ever brought a SAM with us and instead just used two BLU's. Could also be WAR's / DRK's / DRG's / MNK's / ect.., the DPS requirements aren't that high for this fight.

[Tatham]

After many hours of encoding it's finally here. The run itself begins at 5:00.


(Audio Removed, you do not need it anyway)

Here is a video recording of a run we did last night where we cleared both Perfidien and Plouton in the same run. Here we detail our method of popping both NM in the same run. The first two stages are the same for both NMs but the third stages are slightly different. We upgrade both KI at the same rate as we go, meaning that we do not rush all the way to Perfidien then restart for Plouton as it is much easier

Stage One: Elemental magic kills of the opposing element to which we are fighting while taking care TO NOT ONE SHOT. Doing this with the correct element (water on fire elementals, fire on ice elementals etc) enough times will upgrade both KIs. Either doing the wrong element (as I think we do at one stage in the video) or having a death will severely disrupt this part of the process.

Stage Two: We then do various skillchains between our two BLU and MB the proper elements off said skillchains to achieve the second upgrade for both KIs. You notice in the video that when we fight the Ice Elementals we have our two BLU perform Liquefaction and have our mages MB with LOW TIER fire spells to increase the number of MB's per skillchain. We're pretty certain that it is the NUMBER of MBs and not the DAMAGE they do that causes this upgrade for both KIs. As you can see in the video we run out of Ice Elementals so we move to the Earth Elementals and adjust the skillchain to Light and MB wind damage (see the pattern here?). We normally pop both NM before we have to go to the Wind Elementals but as I said earlier, we made a mistake earlier in the run but still pulled it off.
Important: At this stage we had our two BLU take their 119 swords off and use low level weapons to ensure that the Elementals were we fighting did not die before the skillchain went off and to get as many MBs in as possible. I, the GEO with the melee, went with the BLU and put Indi-Precision and Geo-Torpor down so they could actually hit their targets.

Stage Three: At this stage the BLM do absolutely nothing. This stage involves multiple consecutive skillchains on a single elemental, the type and element of the SC doesn't matter. Three skillchains involving four weapon skills pops Perfidien and four skillchains involving five weapon skills pops Plouton. No particular job is needed, just two or more melee's that know how to link various WS's. As you can see from the video we did Red Lotus Blade -> Seraph Blade -> Red Lotus Blade -> Flat Blade to pop Perfidien and just added a Savage Blade at the end to pop Plouton.

Timestamps
5:00 = Run Begins
6:10 = Blue Mages equip low level swords
9:10 = Ashen Wings upgrades to Lv1
16:00 = False King upgrades to Lv1
16:50 = Stage two of Ashen Wings begins
21:10 = Ashen Wings upgrades to Lv2
21:40 = Stage two of False King begins
28:20 = False King upgrades to Lv2
Upgrade process for both KI is now completed.
31:00 = Skillchain begins to pop Perfidien.
31:20 = Perfidien pops.
38:00 = Perfidien defeated. No 1-hour abilities used. 15 minute time extension.
40:27 = Skillchain begins to pop Plouton. First skillchain fails due to uncapped Haste on the BLU.
40:50 = Plouton pops.
54:30 = Plouton defeated.

[Lyramion]

Some souped up MB goodness:

[Hoshiku]

Are you certain both the skill chains and magic bursts are necessary in two steps? We only magic burst for one message per ki although we do have to skillchain for two sets of messages. It seems like you might be doing extra work on one of your steps while still fulfilling the requirement and that is why it's still working for you.

[Saevel]

Are you certain both the skill chains and magic bursts are necessary in two steps? We only magic burst for one message per ki although we do have to skillchain for two sets of messages. It seems like you might be doing extra work on one of your steps while still fulfilling the requirement and that is why it's still working for you.

O.o?

SC is only required to pop the Boss's, it doesn't do anything for upgrading the KI. Upgrading the KI a second time is just MBing with at least two nukes per elemental 10~12 times. This has been so extremely consistent that we no longer doubt it as a requirement. Before you can MB you need a SC and the elemental needs some amount of HP to survive so we use weak weapons. Our nukers are also barely hitting for much damage on those MBs precisely for that reason. We sit there and count and the upgrade message always hits on 12 elementals killed after SC + MB.

Honestly I have no idea why others keep screwing this up, it's not complicated nor difficult to do. If you can pop the T4 then you can pop the T5 since it is the exact same steps for both, just more on the T5.

[Hoshiku]

when you pop the boss you receive a third upgrade message... also the order you do it in is irrelevant. But it looks like that first message was either edited or I misread it because it no longer says anything about skillchains for step 1.