Vagary Findings

[Protey]

wouldn't it be next to impossible to tell his stats magic wise since it changes over time?

[Tile]

you could do it for the first 10% of the fight, during that he has no weakness and takes all dmg, but once those earrings start glowing it will start messing up your data i think.

[dasva]

You'd also have to probably do several runs figuring out a stat at a time not using geo buffs/debuffs since we don't rrally have a list of precise values. And being very controlling over any other buffs/debuffs that could effect dmg which isn't easy in real environment with a group when you are trying to actually kill it. Also might have have some huge int buffs or finally plot out negative dint values

[Malithar]

Has anyone done any leg + body runs lately? Did my first in like 2 months and had some issues with popping. Group wanted to do body first, but I never could get blood messages, even after dozens of magic kills, MBs, etc. But I had gotten 2/3 on ashen. As time winded down, we popped legs, then went back to killing a bit. 5 magic kills later, I got my first blood message, followed by 6 stepping for the 2nd. Time was low so didn't bother with MBs.

Was this a glitch or did SE change it at some point so you can't progress on both ashen and blood at the same time?

[sahearniitth]

Had no issues with messages this past week. We did Legs > Body in a run as well as a Body only pop off someone who had legs + body KI's (trying to conserve the legs KI's for efficiency sake as far as increasing the number of body runs without farming lesser tiers). There WAS one time we had issue with a message almost a month back on either the multi step SC or SC>MB but attributed it to packet loss.

[Protey]

just did legs/body/hands. no issue doing both legs/body KIs at same time. Though in the past we have gone several magic kills without getting a KI and just went on to MB and SC steps for only to see that it was indeed a packet loss.

[Malithar]

Yeah, that was my train of thought too, packet loss. But with it changing hue 5 magic kills after legs, I was just lost on what happened. Still not really sure considering all the magic / MB kills that happened for legs to be popped.

[Lyramion]

Yeah I had one of my messages get eaten before by... something... but still popped NM.

[Lolwutt]

Anyone observed packet loss on the first message when you enter and still popped bosses? Had a few runs where i'd go in 132 with both KI and get neither message. Always went out and entered on a different char, but makes more sense it's packet loss.

[sahearniitth]

Anyone observed packet loss on the first message when you enter and still popped bosses? Had a few runs where i'd go in 132 with both KI and get neither message. Always went out and entered on a different char, but makes more sense it's packet loss.

Yes. Have experienced that as well. Checked KI to make sure I had them and just continued the run as normal.

[Rehn]

I'm trying vagary for the first time tonight. The 3 starting gates sound simple, but what does it mean by:

Spawned in any zone CL 130 or 132..

under perfidien/plouton?

[The Assman]

If the party leader has the pop item for Perfidien (but not Plouton), it increases the "difficulty of this content" level message from 128 to 130. If they have the KI for Plouton then it increases it to 132. I don't think it actually affects anything, just lets you know that higher level NMs (just Perfidien/Plouton) will be able to spawn in that run.

[BerenTebogo]

Does anyone have any good strategies for dealing with Brimboil in a lowman group setting? The do < 3k per attack thing seems unreasonable when you have only 3 people damaging it.

[Ramzii]

guess you answered your own question

[BerenTebogo]

"How do I do this really hard thing? Plz halp"

Oh look, the answer was bolster frailty and unleash with grasshopper...again...

[Tidis]

I asked this in LS before and never got a straight answer, when you have the KI to pop perfidien/plouton, does it get used if you successfully spawn either NM or can you keep doing repeat perfidien/plouton runs back to back.

[Fwahm]

It uses up the key item item, but killing Perf or Plou gives the KI to pop the other one.

As long as you never lose, you can kill Perf + Plou in one run endlessly using one person's key items.

[Tidis]

Sorry I think I must be a bit slow today, so popping them uses the KI but then killing Perf gives a new Plouton KI and killing Plou gives a Perf KI? So the only way to not do these guys repeatedly would be by failing to beat them?

[Fwahm]

Yes, as long as you visit the chair dude in Leafallia to convert your key items between each run.

[Tidis]

Ah cool, I think I'm beginning to understand.

Thanks.