Kickstarter: Hansen Vs. Predator (To Catch a Predator reboot)

[Pringles]

Best episode was when they were at the beach house and the guy was relaxing in the beach chair when Hansen comes up. Half way through the convo he was like "so when will I see myself on TV?"

Hope in the new season when the actor/actress says "I'm gonna go get some lemonade" the perps book it out. They really push the drinks (mainly lemonade) in every scenario

[Spicyryan]

Just imagine if we actually used that money for real police work.

[Cream Soda]

If they came there under the impression that they were getting someone underage, how is that not a predator? It's like a cop pretending to sell someone drugs without actually having any drugs.

Really depends. If it's someone posing as a minor and she's like 22, they used pics of her as 22, even if they go "hey I'm 17"; when it comes down to it, you were attracted to the looks/body of a 22 year old.

Now if the investigator sent pics of them as a teen, that's another story; but baiting people w/ legal/of age pictures is pretty close to the fine line there.

That said, I've watched all the investigations and probably will watch this as well

[Tyche]

Kind of wonder if entrapment too, since really it would be hard for a guy to resist a hot teenage girl wanting to get with them, pedo or not.

dropping this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_All_Men_Pedophiles%3F

Well...

The documentary looks at pedophilia from a cultural and professional perspective of several experts, neuroscientists, psychologists, sexologists and model scouts[7] including neurobiologist Dick Swaab, forensic psychologist Corine de Ruiter, international model booker Jinnah Lou Domino as well as former PNVD spokesperson Marthijn Uittenbogaard.

[archibaldcrane]

According to the show it was also some sort of offense in those states to be having sexual conversations and sending sexual material to underage girls. So they had already broken the law before they went to the house.

Except there were never any underage girls involved at any point.

[archibaldcrane]

It would be like selling a baggie of baking soda that you think is cocaine to an undercover cop.

Even if you think you are doing something illegal, in actual reality you aren't.

[Kaslo]

It would be like selling a baggie of baking soda that you think is cocaine to an undercover cop.

Even if you think you are doing something illegal, in actual reality you aren't.

That's actually a huge debate in the law when it comes to crimes of attempt.

[Aksannyi]

I'm disturbed by how many people in this thread think that these types of stings are wrong.

Okay, so this time, it was a 35 year old cop that they were talking to, what about the next time, though? Maybe it would actually have been a 12 year old girl. I think that getting the type of people who want to fuck young girls off of the internet and away from society is not a bad thing. And I would say the exact same if they were scouting for young boys.

I don't agree with televising it because people are assholes and go out of their way to make people feel like shit (although pedos kind of fucking deserve it tbh) but honestly, you can't all be sitting here claiming "thought police" when you know damn well that the intent to fuck someone underage was there. Was a crime committed? No, not during these particular occasions (except in the online incidences that someone else mentioned), but maybe giving these sickos a wake up call will keep them from going after the actual 14 year olds.

[Petitssk]

I'm disturbed by how many people in this thread think that these types of stings are wrong.

Okay, so this time, it was a 35 year old cop that they were talking to, what about the next time, though? Maybe it would actually have been a 12 year old girl. I think that getting the type of people who want to fuck young girls off of the internet and away from society is not a bad thing. And I would say the exact same if they were scouting for young boys.

I don't agree with televising it because people are assholes and go out of their way to make people feel like shit (although pedos kind of fucking deserve it tbh) but honestly, you can't all be sitting here claiming "thought police" when you know damn well that the intent to fuck someone underage was there. Was a crime committed? No, not during these particular occasions (except in the online incidences that someone else mentioned), but maybe giving these sickos a wake up call will keep them from going after the actual 14 year olds.

Out of curiosity, do you mean "pedo" as in "pedophile" or as in "child predator"? There's a very huge difference between the two and I think, given recent debates about proper terms in this particular sub-section, it can't hurt to properly distinguish between the two.

[Blubbartron]

The problem with these types of stings is that they inherently make it very difficult to tell whether the persons involved are attracted to the person they're talking to because they're of a certain age, or attracted to the person they're talking to regardless of what age they say they are. This is further complicated by the fact that the age of consent for most other 1st world nations is 14-16 compared to our 16-18. At 14-15 a person is biologically ready to have sex, and it's only puritanical values or creation of the false concept of "adolescence" that make us believe they're not mature enough. Maturity is gained through experience, and it makes no rational sense to have some arbitrary age line for where someone is "mature" enough to engage in simple activities that happen across all species since the first sexually dimorphic life form evolved.

[Aksannyi]

Out of curiosity, do you mean "pedo" as in "pedophile" or as in "child predator"? There's a very huge difference between the two and I think, given recent debates about proper terms in this particular sub-section, it can't hurt to properly distinguish between the two.

I mean someone who is looking for sexual encounters with underage people (read: children). If there's a distinction between child predator and pedophile then I am unaware of one. I'd be interested to know the difference, if there is one.

[Cream Soda]

Pedophiles are attracted to children, but don't necessarily act out on it; letting their moral compass/fear of the law overpower their desires. Predators would be the ones who actually pursue children.

Basically you can be both a predator and pedophile or simply just a pedophile.

[Kaslo]

The problem with these types of stings is that they inherently make it very difficult to tell whether the persons involved are attracted to the person they're talking to because they're of a certain age, or attracted to the person they're talking to regardless of what age they say they are. This is further complicated by the fact that the age of consent for most other 1st world nations is 14-16 compared to our 16-18. At 14-15 a person is biologically ready to have sex, and it's only puritanical values or creation of the false concept of "adolescence" that make us believe they're not mature enough. Maturity is gained through experience, and it makes no rational sense to have some arbitrary age line for where someone is "mature" enough to engage in simple activities that happen across all species since the first sexually dimorphic life form evolved.

This is where Romeo & Juliet clauses are useful to Statutory Rape laws, not criminalizing sex between peers but still targeting those looking to target younger people.

[Aksannyi]

Pedophiles are attracted to children, but don't necessarily act out on it; letting their moral compass/fear of the law overpower their desires. Predators would be the ones who actually pursue children.

Basically you can be both a predator and pedophile or simply just a pedophile.

If that's all the difference is, then I'm willing to say that I meant predators and not pedos in my first post.

Still, the fact that someone was willing to go meet a child at home in a house with the obvious intent to have sex doesn't make me feel all that bad about getting them to reconsider their terrible life choices.

[Cream Soda]

I don't feel bad for them. It's more of the sense that the police are held to a higher standard so they need to make sure they're not breaking the rules and tap dancing on entrapment. That's how cases get thrown out and tax dollars wasted on the stings themselves and prosecution costs on thrown out cases. That combined with the amount of legitimate human trafficking going on every day that nothing is being done about; the funding should be headed towards that rather than creating fake victims. To catch a predator is pretty cut and dry, since these people are in chat rooms looking for kids but I've seen some (the ones where I mentioned they're tapdancing) where they'll go to site where adults are looking for adults, pretend to be an adult, then change their age after they've already gone through the sex talk.

[Blubbartron]

This is where Romeo & Juliet clauses are useful to Statutory Rape laws, not criminalizing sex between peers but still targeting those looking to target younger people.

And how do you determine if someone is "targeting" young people? The law is indiscriminate. People like who they like, and the only time it's immoral to pursue a person you're attracted to is if they're biologically incapable of returning your affections (pre-pubescent, or not human), or they've made it clear they're not interested.

Also, I want to make sure we're 100% clear on something in this thread, because terminology does matter. A pedophile is someone who is attracted to PREpubescent children. All of the ages we're talking about in this thread are POSTpubescent. They are biologically mature. The term most of you are looking for is ephebophile (young people, but biologically mature). That said, another important distinction is that a person must be EXCLUSIVELY attracted to only people fitting the age criteria to be diagnosed with the "philia". If a person is physically attracted to a 15 year old in a similar way that they are physically attracted to a 35 year old, they simply don't comply with the puritanical aspects of our culture. They're not pedophiles, and they're not necessarily evil predators looking to take advantage of innocence.

[6souls]

KLK is so fucked if this gets off the ground.

[Senji]

It just seems like an abuse of kickstarter; when your broke cause you misspent all your 1.0 money, already have corporate sponsors, and its for a web series that allegedly will simply air online before it does on NBC primetime.

[Spicyryan]

This is where Romeo & Juliet clauses are useful to Statutory Rape laws, not criminalizing sex between peers but still targeting those looking to target younger people.

Yeah, but people don't want to take the effort to understand that there is a wide spectrum of person development and try and make a reasonable law. That and the fact that people regard sex as taboo to this day is a compounding factor.

[Kaslo]

Yeah, but people don't want to take the effort to understand that there is a wide spectrum of person development and try and make a reasonable law. That and the fact that people regard sex as taboo to this day is a compounding factor.

I actually did a law review article on R&J laws after spending a summer in Ireland interning for a single parents center that asked me to research them. I also have a theory that I've wanted to research regarding the amount of statutory rape cases compared with a nation/state's legal drinking age. I have a feeling statutory rape is higher the lower the age to drink is.