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  1. #341
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    I'm having a hard time thinking of a situation where ET would be useful as well...

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    Yeah I'm not sure what the use would be for emergency tactics unless they give a potency buff.

    It also doesn't state what kind of actions theses are. Instant? Aetherflow stack use up? stances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niiro View Post
    Unless the AoE damage is physical (see: almost never) it won't matter since E4E only procs on physical attacks.
    Stuff like tail swipe and body slam and all that...is magical damage?

    jackiechanmindblown.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutriss View Post
    I wonder if adding random single tomestone drops to the trash would make them a little more appealing.
    Something like that could be nice. Giving trash mobs in dungeons a purpose to feel less like "Obligatory themed trash mobs" would be nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutriss View Post
    Stuff like tail swipe and body slam and all that...is magical damage?

    jackiechanmindblown.gif
    I can count physical "non-avoidable" damage on like one hand. Earthshaker, T8 Homing Missile. Probably a couple others.

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    Never said "non-avoidable".

    Makes giving E4E to the whole party slightly more useful, in that the derps can occasionally give Damage Down to the attacker.

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    It would be better for coordinated derps. While not a great example, having everyone stand in front to get bellyflopped by Twintania with DTe4e would be one such situation and it seems excessive.

    Though this may also point to HW bosses having physical AoE but that only makes every job have some decent mitigation for it (Foresight, Manawall, Perfect Dodge, Keen Flurry, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutriss View Post
    Siege Tank turret mode for BRD
    Exactly what I thought of when I read the description of the change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez View Post
    It would be better for coordinated derps. While not a great example, having everyone stand in front to get bellyflopped by Twintania with DTe4e would be one such situation and it seems excessive.
    Well, there are those few instances (hydra, T11) where you have both tanks eat cleaves, maybe they're going to play on that more. Still a pretty niche use though.

    I'm trying to think if there's any instances where having the whole party eat an attack to spread damage is ever physical, but I can't think of one. Always magic. Maybe E4E will finally just proc on any damage? Fuck you ADS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutriss View Post
    Stuff like tail swipe and body slam and all that...is magical damage?

    jackiechanmindblown.gif
    Stand in avoidable AoEs and take unnecessary damage to (maybe) reduce damage next time you stand in unnecessary AoEs

    Except the E4E debuff only lasts 20s, so probably not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez View Post
    It would be better for coordinated derps. While not a great example, having everyone stand in front to get bellyflopped by Twintania with DTe4e would be one such situation and it seems excessive.

    Though this may also point to HW bosses having physical AoE but that only makes every job have some decent mitigation for it (Foresight, Manawall, Perfect Dodge, Keen Flurry, etc).
    There are mobs that don't have any physical attacks to proc E4E at all already, I don't see them changing the way mobs attack purely for the sake of this.......kind of maybe almost sometimes useful "we couldn't think of anything else" skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    I absolutely hate, sincerely hate, that I can't be excited for the new dungeons... because I know its going to be Trash mobs > Faceroll boss > Trash mobs > Faceroll boss > trash mobs > Faceroll final boss, repeat to cap <currency> until next patch.
    Honestly, if you see the game as a job. Its honestly time to stop playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    Not sure how I feel about MNK abilities, I'd rather they thought about GL3 more rather than keeping the frustration that is building stacks for a little payoff (and it sounds like fights will have more breaks now which just means the worst part of MNK is probably going to get even worse). Astrologist looks cool though, but super bummed about MNK for now.
    Depends on the potency. I would love it if we get some GL3-dependent, 300-potency Chi Blast on like a 90s recast.

    Not for raiding, of course. For PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelenae View Post
    Honestly, if you see the game as a job. Its honestly time to stop playing.
    If they switched things up..it would be a lot easier to be hyped for, but it's simply the design style they went with. I mean, even look at what is (most likely) Alexander - any bit of lore we have now referencing him mentions very little to nothing at all about it being an Allagan creation..yet it's Coil 4 from appearance.

    I don't think that it's looking at it as a job..and more: "Well..this was expected."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destinye View Post
    If they switched things up..it would be a lot easier to be hyped for, but it's simply the design style they went with. I mean, even look at what is (most likely) Alexander - any bit of lore we have now referencing him mentions very little to nothing at all about it being an Allagan creation..yet it's Coil 4 from appearance.

    I don't think that it's looking at it as a job..and more: "Well..this was expected."
    I'm almost certain the Allagan shit we saw today was the Floating Continent and not Alexander.

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    Allagan are the new Zilart. Neon, glowing zones are the FFXIV equivalent to off-white cermet walls and hexigons.

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    It fits the world lore though. Its like the Atlantis of FFXIV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelenae View Post
    Honestly, if you see the game as a job. Its honestly time to stop playing.
    I don't read that as 'it's a job'

    I read that as, 'why get exited when it's going to be the same shit as 2.0 for dungeons"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almalexia View Post
    Depends on the potency. I would love it if we get some GL3-dependent, 300-potency Chi Blast on like a 90s recast.

    Not for raiding, of course. For PvP.
    Well if the potency is ridiculous and it's satisfying it might outweigh the need to constantly build up GL3 stacks (BECAUSE THATS SO FUN). Seriously, shit needs to be godlike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelenae View Post
    Honestly, if you see the game as a job. Its honestly time to stop playing.
    Not worth stating. Karbuncle isn't going anywhere, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    Well if the potency is ridiculous and it's satisfying it might outweigh the need to constantly build up GL3 stacks (BECAUSE THATS SO FUN). Seriously, shit needs to be godlike.
    They could design boss encounters and trials that give us something to wallop at any given time, but the path of least resistance is a simple DPS surge to offset the build-up between phases; in the end, knowing the encounter will remain the best DPS increase. This also sets a precedent for GL as a resource rather than a straight buff.

    It's a great idea. I'm not just looking forward to it--
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    I'm looking heavensward.

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