Escha - Zitah Data

[BerenTebogo]

if I am entering escha with the intent to farm silt i just go blu and stomp the shit out of everythign with subduction. The good part: you can kill multiple mobs and murder everything, the better part: due to the enmity changes noone can get the mobs off you with one subduction cast (blu magic wasnt affected by enmity changes) unless they spam flash so they allways stay yellow or claimed to you! The bad part: prolly alot of people are gonna bitch due to that on the OFs and will get subduction nerfed...

Subduction seems like a slow kill though which kinda sucks. Had a BLU subduction kill like half my pull on BST cuz tegmina buffet does like 85-95% HP per move so he just finished off a bunch. Spent the next hour or so just one shotting his entire pull after he did 1 subduction. I forsee lots of changes to escha coming though, I doubt subduction will get nerfed.

But yeah I think BLU is probably the second best job to farm slit on. On Fenrir at least 90% of the zone at any given time is BLU or BST.

[Malithar]

if I am entering escha with the intent to farm silt i just go blu and stomp the shit out of everythign with subduction. The good part: you can kill multiple mobs and murder everything, the better part: due to the enmity changes noone can get the mobs off you with one subduction cast (blu magic wasnt affected by enmity changes) unless they spam flash so they allways stay yellow or claimed to you! The bad part: prolly alot of people are gonna bitch due to that on the OFs and will get subduction nerfed...

Geo is very effective too, but not much luck on the hate side of things. Running around with Barrier, Taco, Koru and Phalanx II, and a -DT set blasting 15+ efts/bugards down is fun, though I'd imagine I'm on a fair few hate lists. Blu and Bst definitely top notch though.

[Damane]

Subduction seems like a slow kill though which kinda sucks. Had a BLU subduction kill like half my pull on BST cuz tegmina buffet does like 85-95% HP per move so he just finished off a bunch. Spent the next hour or so just one shotting his entire pull after he did 1 subduction. I forsee lots of changes to escha coming though, I doubt subduction will get nerfed.

But yeah I think BLU is probably the second best job to farm slit on. On Fenrir at least 90% of the zone at any given time is BLU or BST.

i never do huge chain pulls only 3-4 mobs per time, gathering 6 mobs or more usually just kills the chain for yourself at some point (due to repop) or for other people. While subduction isnt on the lvl of your pets, its as you said the 2. best, even the nukers cant hold up to that, just because of the fact that you cant run out of MP spamming it on blu

[vivbiibasjiu]

Wow are people really already crying about slit? It's really not hard or even time consuming to get it, and I don't even have a single "cleaving" job. I forsee this is one of those things people will start botting because they're so damn lazy and entitled. Wahhh, I want my millions of slit and I want it now for zero effort!!

[Tile]

i was hoping that we could trade in Vouchers for them, at the rate of everything else it would 1 voucher for 1 NM. but SE did't even add it to the list...

[dasva]

Subduction has a large enmity component beyond the damage dealt?

Not that I've heard of... it would make some sense it might get enmity for the gravity effect as well... but that isn't much either. He might be referring to pull enmity I guess but that isn't exactly huge

[Toth]

Wow are people really already crying about slit? It's really not hard or even time consuming to get it, and I don't even have a single "cleaving" job. I forsee this is one of those things people will start botting because they're so damn lazy and entitled. Wahhh, I want my millions of slit and I want it now for zero effort!!

I think it's more the problem of the OTHER people needed to even pop the NMs needing tons of silts. You may be able to get 10k/hr slit but your friends need to as well and you certainly cannot control everyone's schedules.

[Gaztastic]

Yeah, the issue comes with the NM popping system. The fact that they copied Unity popping is a problem. People can build accolades doing absolutely anything in the game, but we can only build silt in Escha. I have absolutely no issue on building silt, as I cleave on BLU and get about 12k+/hour, but my LSmates are not as lucky. And, with how the EXP system is designed for the zone, I can't cleave for them and build their silt as effectively. I can't control how much time they want to spend in Escha, so it's very unreliable to pop the NMs we'd need. However, the Dev team mentioned they are looking at adjusting how EXP works in a party, so we'll have to see how that works in June. As of now, though, it's just a bit of a pain to pop the NMs. But that's just my opinion.

[Sudox]

Didn't see mention of this in Tile's post, but it appears that killing the three "hidden" HELM NMs does not unlock additional KI. Unfortunately, we received necklace/eye/earring from Gallu/Mantis/Pixie, respectively, so we cannot confirm any additional drops at this time.

Spoiler: show

[Kazeryushin]

Wepwawet: Eschite Helm also note I was doing 1k+ thunder 4-6 and he activated Lava Spit everytime, I'm guessing he spits every time someone does 1k+ dmg
Cunnast: Vanya Robe
Gestalt: Psycloth shoes

[Tile]

Didn't see mention of this in Tile's post, but it appears that killing the three "hidden" HELM NMs does not unlock additional KI. Unfortunately, we received necklace/eye/earring from Gallu/Mantis/Pixie, respectively, so we cannot confirm any additional drops at this time.

Edit: I have the feeling that they will drop the Pulse bodies, since we got Sweller's Harness from Fleetstalker, and Urmahlulu drops Onca Suit, the 4 pulse bodies could come from Shockmaw, and these 3 HELM NMs.

only thing i would think they would do is after beating all 3, is something like trade in all 3 items for a new NM, but lack of NMs in dats makes me think this is it.

[Sudox]

Edit: I have the feeling that they will drop the Pulse bodies, since we got Sweller's Harness from Fleetstalker, and Urmahlulu drops Onca Suit, the 4 pulse bodies could come from Shockmaw, and these 3 HELM NMs.

only thing i would think they would do is after beating all 3, is something like trade in all 3 items for a new NM, but lack of NMs in dats makes me think this is it.

We still need to find out how to get this KI:

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Wrathare%27s_carrot

Once we acquire another set of items we'll test various combinations and see what we can come up with.

[Tile]

We still need to find out how to get this KI:

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Wrathare%27s_carrot

Once we acquire another set of items we'll test various combinations and see what we can come up with.

Oh I thought that was one of the T2s since I havent fought them all, yea my guess would be 1 of each, but he might just give you KI for the first 2 items and not all 3, you may need to get all 3 KI then try trading him again.

EDIT: traded all three HELM items and got carrot. I have all 3 wins already, and I didnt not have the other KIs on me, just trading 1 of each got me carrot ilvl 135

[Sechs]

While I haven't done all of the fights, with the pop system being a mirror of UNMs, I don't think it's much of a stretch to think the NMs scale with anyone over 6. I've done a fair number of T1s and T2s with 6 or less. If you're trying to organize a large scale event and people aren't prepped, too bad so sad for them IMO. This doesn't take much prep work at all to be capable of participating in. I think the difficulty in grinding silts is greatly exaggerated as long as you can find a decent time to grind. That's not to say it's not bullshit when there's 20+ in the zone, but find a decent camp that is empty and you're golden.

Malithar I'm not saying it's *impossible* to farm Slits for large scale events.
I'm saying it's *highly unpractical*.
It's different.
We can't rely on people doing that on their own. A lot of people are busy with rl and barely have time to log for the events, they will never have time to farm decent amount of slit with every fight requiring 1000+ slit. When we have 3+ hrs event that's a good bit of farming, and if you're unlucky and zone is packed full in the only free time window you have, then you're fucked.

A system that is self sustained (i.e. only need drops/stuff from inside Escha zones and doesn't have to rely on Unity stuff) and doesn't require all members to buy a KI on each fight would have been so much better, imho.


Anyway, they said they're gonna raise Slit inside PT on the june patch, and raise the level of some monsters.
Those are both good news because it means they are acknowledging the issue.
At the same time I'm not particularly confident they're gonna be able to fix the issue. A lot of the problem also lies in the fact that they picked a very small zone. Wonder why they couldn't choose a bigger zone to transform into Escha =/
Either way, I'm confident the situation can only improve from where it currently is, so I wanna be optimist for once.

[Tile]

At the same time I'm not particularly confident they're gonna be able to fix the issue. A lot of the problem also lies in the fact that they picked a very small zone. Wonder why they couldn't choose a bigger zone to transform into Escha =/

if they stick with 1 expansion per mission batch. we may have this problem still, what big zones are in CoP? Promyvion-Vahzl is big but dont think it would work for story, can do Range but its already an Abyssea zone so idk. I do think that for ToaU it should be Arrapago reef, plenty of space there and its spread out enough warps would be useful.

[Sechs]

I think nobody said the two new zones have to be a CoP one and a ToAU one.
Also I think they said the third zone will be a completely new zone and not a re-used one?
Not sure what they could've used in place of Zi'tah.
Their criteria of selection probably was:
1) Zone hasn't been used before
2) Zone isn't a dungeon

With that, you don't have many choices. Uh, maybe Western Altepa Desert? And Zi'tah likely seemed more "epic" and "new" and "unique" to them compared to Western Altepa Desert.
Still, in their place I would've done different choices considering how small the zone is. Setting such a large monster levels range and setting so Slit is a % of exp gained didn't help either.

[Tachi]

Psycloth Lappas rank 15
A : MP+50 INT+7 Conserve MP+6
B : MACC+10 Spell Interruption rate 15% MND+7
C : Pet ATK+25 Pet MAB+15 Pet Enmity+7
D : MP+80 MACC+15 Fast Cast+7

[BerenTebogo]

Saurotab / Rolanberry / Batallia all wouldn't be too bad. Starter zones too I guess.

[Lyramion]

Well that's one hell of a lof of MACC for enfeebling and great Fastcast.

[Sechs]

Well that's one hell of a lof of MACC for enfeebling and great Fastcast.

...and debateable jobs on that list! :'(