Time for a serious discussion about transracial issues?

[Koul]

If/when surgeries advance to the point someone can "be" a certain race, will they then be that race? I've linked it before but here it is again: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5447600.html

"Nishi insists he doesn't think of himself as Asian or as Korean, a nationality that he greatly admires after visiting the country, but as "something in between."

Honestly, I love that this is happening and I love that people are shitting on the woman. Especially after the Caitlyn Jenner thing. Everyone realizes that this is where things are heading, right? For people to be "who they are on the inside" or what they feel or whatever the hell. Yeah, there's genetic crap with certain races but there's also genetic crap with your sex. Hormone pills takes care of that little issue though, doesn't it?

If you can saw, adjust and chop off things and take magical pills to make you more who you are, then we need to accept and believe that this woman is a black woman. Regardless of what her genetic information or appearance says. If you disagree, you're transphobic. Plain and simple.

also: shitty people do exist and lie. But you can't assume anyone else is that way. Remember... listen, and believe.

[Salodin]

You're the best person to ask bum; giving all she has done for the African American community prior to this, how do you feel about her co-opting your skin color? Do you give her a pass because of all she has contributed or does all of that not matter anymore?

[chazzyphizzle]

team america did race changing correctly, this crazy lady should take notes

[notorious bum]

You're the best person to ask bum; giving all she has done for the African American community prior to this, how do you feel about her co-opting your skin color? Do you give her a pass because of all she has contributed or does all of that not matter anymore?

Could you explain what she has done, exactly, for the community?

[kuronosan]

Nobody gives a shit about the transracial thing.

She's a fucking liar, and that's that. She manufactured a past to take advantage of minority benefits and got caught. If she feels black and wants to look black nobody really should care.

It's when you claim you come from Africa, have black or biracial parents, and act as though you were never born white to white parents that you start having serious mental issues.

It's not the blackface that really matters here. It's the fact that "feeling comfortable in your skin" is quickly turning into "lying about your past to get unfair advantages over those who tell the truth".

She's a dirty liar. Period. Identifying as a black woman is a totally separate thing.

[Koul]

Could you explain what she has done, exactly, for the community?

Does it matter?

Here's what she's done because deep down inside she FEELS black. She became an Africana profressor, she apparently fabricated hate crimes all because that is how strongly she FEELS black. She got custody, or tried, of her adopted brother whose black and told him how terrible white people are. All because of what she feels on the inside.

Edit @Kuro: You're right, she should've just been honest and told everyone she felt black and was a black woman on the inside. That would've gone over real well, huh. You realize how transphobic you sound, right? I've read these same opposing arguments against transgenders fyi

[kuronosan]

And that doesn't make it any less wrong.

If a guy fabricates a degree so he can teach, do they still let him be a teacher?

This isn't a fucking 80s teen movie.

[Stilzkin]

If a guy fabricates a degree so he can teach, do they still let him be a teacher?

Seems somewhat different to lie about something like that. Her being black probably wasn't actually required for the position she took.

[thetruepandagod]

I'm honestly a little disappointed she didn't go full black mode and just take melanotan II. Shit will actually turn you into a darkish arab or black after half a year.
http://imgur.com/a/I428E

[notorious bum]

[Marootsoobutsu]

Ding ding ding.

To argue that people are transracial, beyond the degree of adopting cultural aspects of other ethnicites, is to imply there are definitive certain ways that being a certain race is different.

And that's just not backed up by science. What separates the races is very different than what separates, say, men and women.

This would matter, if we were talking behavior instead of identity. The question in this case isn't how the person acts (though she seems to be embracing that, too, in her education and occupation), but in how she *identifies*. If it is race that is the primary focus, and that ethnicity follows from there, then that is how they identify. You don't get to define that for them, any more than you do for anyone else. There ARE ways that being of a certain race is different, and it doesn't matter if its physical, medical, whatever: if that's how you're self-identifying, that is how you self-identify.

Though, really, she never used the words "transracial" nor "transethic"; others are using that, so we really don't know how she swings. But it does seem clear, at the very least, that race is a significant aspect of how she views her ethnicity.

[Salodin]

She's no reincarnation of Dr. King, but given her position in the NAACP she should be credited with at least being a good role model for young blacks. Admittedly I don't know her life accomplishments, but she isn't just a nobody.

[Galkaeater]

a good role model for young blacks.

A fraud?

[thetruepandagod]

a good role model for young blacks.

White women are better at helping the black community than they are?

[Tyrath]

Also apparently to be a good black member of society you have to be white.

[Gredival]

This would matter, if we were talking behavior instead of identity. The question in this case isn't how the person acts (though she seems to be embracing that, too, in her education and occupation), but in how she *identifies*. If it is race that is the primary focus, and that ethnicity follows from there, then that is how they identify.

Not if you are trying to equivocate being transracial to being transgender. The whole concept of being transgender isn't just that you choose to self-identify as one gender, it's a condition where your body and your mind don't match. That difference is only significant if you start from the premise that there are distinct ways in which males and females differ, both physically and psychologically. That's why it's described as being "trapped" in the wrong body.

Compare a transgender person with someone that is a non-transgender cross-dresser. Their psychology is that of a normal male or female. They don't feel that their mind and body are mismatched. They simply choose to outwardly portray themselves as the opposite sex for periods of time. Maybe it's a large enough part of their life that it's part of their identity. But there is no dissonance between gender and sex that serves as a point of distress.

Having the "wrong skin" can only be equivalent to having the "wrong genitalia" if you proceed from the premise that there are innate differences between the races equivalent to the differences between the sexes.

You don't get to define that for them, any more than you do for anyone else. There ARE ways that being of a certain race is different, and it doesn't matter if its physical, medical, whatever: if that's how you're self-identifying, that is how you self-identify.

You can self-identify an ethnicity. You don't self-identify as a race. Regardless of how meaningless and ineffective the social construct of race is, inherent in that concept is the institutionalization of it. It's not like citizenship. You can't switch it at all.

Again to bring this back to the transgender comparison, it's just like how you can self-identify a gender, you can't self-identify your biological sex/assigned-sex-at birth.

[notorious bum]

"How is Rachel Dolezal any different than trans people?"

She had to START pretending...

Trans people have to STOP pretending...

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[Marootsoobutsu]

Not if you are trying to equivocate being transracial to being transgender. The whole concept of being transgender isn't just that you choose to self-identify as one gender, it's a condition where your body and your mind don't match. That difference is only significant if you start from the premise that there are distinct ways in which males and females differ, both physically and psychologically. That's why it's described as being "trapped" in the wrong body.

That difference is significant if it is causing the person who has that condition or situation distress to the point it is negatively impacting their quality of life. It doesn't matter if there is an actual psychological or physiological difference at all-- that might make it easier for others to understand the "Why this matters", but that's not really the important component.

[Marootsoobutsu]

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You're aware that a great many people think that transgenders are pretending, right?

[Byrthnoth]

Another transracial hero, doing god's work for the enpowerment of minority youths: