Time for a serious discussion about transracial issues?

[Psion]

Thats nice, dear.

(also hitler had blue eyes on the inside. total difference, you can't trust those shifty baby blues)

[thetruepandagod]

i ::am:: that person and i feel like i'm trapped in a body that doesn't respond how my mind is dictating.

No you are you. Pretty sure everyone has a fairly idealized version of themselves at the very least to a rather minor degree mentally. In my dreams for a long time I had a somewhat different face and sharper facial structure, this doesn't not mean I identity as a deeper voiced man with the jaw and cheekbones of a god. Yet when I look in the mirror when I would wake up it would always be an ever so slight shock that the 8hrs i just spent seeing myself differently didn't match my mirror.

for instance, when i talk inside my head, it comes out perfectly fine, but when i try to actually speak it to someone else, it comes out a jumbled mess half the time.

This happens with everyone, practice makes perfect, you should socialize more. Same thing happens to me when talking and writing where my thoughts come out quicker than I can speak or write and it's a jumbled mess of skipped words and staggered confusion verbally. Thankfully i'm able to type quickly enough for it to not be a problem in this medium.

same with my physical abilities, although it's improved somewhat after taking tai chi classes... at least now i can balance on one leg easily. before that i was always tripping over myself

Fairly sure this happens to everyone as they hit puberty and begin to grow, it's an awkward stage of growth and getting used to your body, and unless you are actively involved in sports or physical training during this period you will probaly acclimate slower than you otherwise would. Hence something like tai-chi helping you. There is nothing unusual about becoming more imbalanced when you go from shorter to taller, this is an obvious thing and especially pronounced in things like gymnastics.


Nigga fuck yo shit, own the gimpy white spaniard you are and improve upon it, or don't. No one really cares except you and weird as fuck extremists that do for all the wrong reasons.

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[Blubbartron]

I don't think I'll ever understand the concept of having some kind of mental image of what you "should" be as a person. I just... am. Reality determines what I am, and all this shit seems like wishful thinking at times. I don't dream of myself as a fit person, because I'm not a fit person. I'm a fat bastard. Is it really that normal for people to imagine themselves as something other than what they are?

[Psion]

Uh, i was really bad off before i hit puberty. as a young kid i couldn't even run because my feet would start hurting like hell almost immediately. i was pretty active as a child, but i had a lot of health issues that couldn't be addressed in a timely manner, as my parents were pretty poor.

And my mental image isn't even close to an idealized form of my physical body. the two aren't even close in appearance.

as far as socialization goes, i've gotten more social as i've gotten older and... it's not improved one bit. :s

Anyways, i can sort of identify with how this woman might feel. sometimes the inner you and the outer you just don't match even remotely. if the sex of a persons inner self can conflict with their physical body and cause major distress, i don't see how it's much of a leap to assume that other attributes can be the same way, and cause some distress as well, especially when it doesn't mesh with the body at all. I mean, if it weren't the case then there wouldn't be so many amputees suffering from phantom limbs, sometimes causing major pain when said limbs are stuck in painful positions, no?

I think people tend to underestimate just how much influence that inner image has on the real body, especially when the two are in major conflict.

[thetruepandagod]

I don't think I'll ever understand the concept of having some kind of mental image of what you "should" be as a person. I just... am. Reality determines what I am, and all this shit seems like wishful thinking at times. I don't dream of myself as a fit person, because I'm not a fit person. I'm a fat bastard. Is it really that normal for people to imagine themselves as something other than what they are?

Only a handful of times for me personally. When i'm not breaking my heart with dream relationships. ayyyyyylmao

[Dotsudoku]

I'm fairly certain phantom limb requires a history of that limb being there.

[Psion]

It was an example of how the inner image can affect the physical body. i'm pretty sure transgendered people weren't born as their correct sex, then changed as babies to the wrong one and now they want to get it fixed. their mental image was always different from their physical one, despite them never experiencing their correct sex.

I dunno if my mental self was always different from my real body ever since i was born, but i do know it's been like that as long as i can remember. Though admittingly, my earliest memories were when i was able to speak complete sentences, so that was probably around age 6-7.

[Dotsudoku]

We're delving into things that I'm not particularly knowledgeable of, but I imagine there's an empathy aspect found in transgendered cases that's absent in a phantom limb situation

Back to you- if you've never considered it, you should probably look into talking to a professional about your issues. Superficially it just seems like you have very generalized body issues and low self-esteem, but even if it is something more profound, you'd want to start in the same place

[thetruepandagod]

i'm pretty sure transgendered people weren't born as their correct sex, then changed as babies to the wrong one

Are you thinking of people that are born intersexed?

[Thunder]

He mistook sex for gender, I'm sure. Whole thing was in response to the phantom limb being a poor likening to people who "identify" as different things

[thetruepandagod]

Thought it was interesting enough to warrant a read.
http://mattbruenig.com/2015/06/12/tr...d-transgender/

[Thunder]

I had the same loop of thoughts this guy outlined because I initially thought: wow, this is retarded and anyone partaking in it is just some loser

but I can't differentiate it from transgendered people... and I don't think the same way about those people

I don't know what makes me think that way, but I don't see it changing without something new introduced

[thetruepandagod]

[kuronosan]

The inner me is Daredevil. The outer me is Avery Mann.

That doesn't mean I should blind myself and become a super hero.

If I want to be happy with who I see in the mirror it either comes with acceptance or hard work. There's a huge difference between how you identify and not knowing yourself.

[Niiro]

Dibs on identifying as Batman.

[FNH]

If I want to be happy with who I see in the mirror it either comes with acceptance or hard work. There's a huge difference between how you identify and not knowing yourself.

Do you apply this to gender identity also?

[Blubbartron]

I'd really like to know the difference between identity and knowing oneself. Also if you could actually define these things in a concrete manner, as opposed to some nebulous bullshit, that'd be cool. Every time I try to read about these things it inevitably ends up making ridiculous assumptions like existence of a soul and shit.

[kuronosan]

Yes, actually. But gender is not culture or race.

Stop trying to flip flop this. The moral is be comfortable with who you are. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, either be comfortable or change it.

If you have to lie and deceive and manufacture entire histories, denounce your family (Even though they support you), or break the law just to make yourself "feel like you are on the inside" then you're not uncomfortable. Something is wrong with you and you need help.

[Thunder]

Yes, actually. But gender is not culture or race.

Stop trying to flip flop this. The moral is be comfortable with who you are. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, either be comfortable or change it.

If you have to lie and deceive and manufacture entire histories, denounce your family (Even though they support you), or break the law just to make yourself "feel like you are on the inside" then you're not uncomfortable. Something is wrong with you and you need help.

Don't think a lot of people care about Rachel at this point and have moved onto the bigger picture: wtf is transracial and what's this mean for all the people who "always have identified as..."

I still think those people have a personal problem.

btw,

There's a huge difference between how you identify and not knowing yourself.

idk if "identify" and "knowing yourself" are phrases used for already defined things that I'm supposed to know about like sex/gender but atm they're basically the same to me. What's the difference?

[archibaldcrane]

Just remember everyone, that transgender people have differences in their brains from others of the same sex. There's repeatable scientific physiology involved, which helps give transgender tons more credence than trans-anything else.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caus...transsexualism - read the "biological based theories" section.