Time for a serious discussion about transracial issues?

[Koul]

in regards to "feeling" different on the inside then how you appear on the outside, I'm pretty sure that happens to just about everyone. The severity of it just depends on how much you convince yourself which version of you is true. Are you gunna pull a anorexic and delude yourself into thinking your fat when you're bone thin? Are you going to piss out money to get plastic surgery to be yourself? Or are you going to accept that yes, you may not "feel" like you're who you are on the outside but you're the way you are because demz da breaks and if also blame your parents genes. Feels =/= Truth

[Spicyryan]

On the outside I'm a white metal grunge devil worshiping substance abusing hippie. But, on the inside I'm a jazzy Latino, maybe a Cuban, who just wants to sing and dance with you before you get drugged.

[kuronosan]

in regards to "feeling" different on the inside then how you appear on the outside, I'm pretty sure that happens to just about everyone. The severity of it just depends on how much you convince yourself which version of you is true. Are you gunna pull a anorexic and delude yourself into thinking your fat when you're bone thin? Are you going to piss out money to get plastic surgery to be yourself? Or are you going to accept that yes, you may not "feel" like you're who you are on the outside but you're the way you are because demz da breaks and if also blame your parents genes. Feels =/= Truth

This.

[Thunder]

isn't that just body dysmorphia though? Literally delusional then?

[Koul]

isn't that just body dysmorphia though? Literally delusional then?

Yes, it is. And depending on how bad someone has it, they need mental help

[Byrthnoth]

Homosexuality and transexualism were recently mental illnesses too.

[Koul]

Homosexuality and transexualism were recently mental illnesses too.

keyword being were. So until the time comes when the science can back up that people who are anorexic have no issues at all and they're just trying to be themselves, it's a mental illness.

[Dimmauk]

Remember when this was posted? I guess the difference is, its a different country with a different Black history?

[kuronosan]

Homosexuality and transexualism were recently mental illnesses too.

Okay, I'll bite.

Let's go through these questions:

1) How do you feel the person on the inside reflects on the outside?

2) Do you feel this reflection is a function of societal norms, or a function of your sense of self?

3) Does this person you feel you ought to be require you to bring harm to yourself or others, or are you harming yourself by suppressing it?

4) Does the wellness of your emotional being depend on becoming this person, or do you feel it to be an ideal version of you?

5) Does attaining this new self require you to risk medical debilitation, or is there a more reasonable, plausible approach that requires hard work?

6) Does your inner identity stem from a subconscious desire to "be" someone else, or do you feel it is truly who you are?

Ask yourself those questions whenever you're having an identity crisis. There's a difference between being who you were born as (transgender, attracted to people of the same sex) and being what you feel to be ideal (a black man, thin, a superhero) to your circumstances.

I'd wager to say that if your inner self brings harm to your outer self or to others, then you're delusional. If your inner emotional state and sense of self simply isn't reflected on the outside then you need to find out who you are on the inside and be at peace with it.

I feel bad for people who get excessive plastic surgery and end up looking ugly. Too much emphasis is placed on how you ought to look and not on how you ought to feel. Dolezal doesn't need to look black to identify with black culture. It's obvious she used this identity as a means of getting ahead and deceiving and is now backpedaling.

Once again, people are focusing on the issue being that Rachel shouldn't be allowed to identify as black or can't be transracial when the real issue is that none of that was in question until it was discovered that she's a lying sack of shit. If she's comfortable feeling black, you shouldn't care.

But really? Go the whole nine yards and restyle your hair, dye your skin dark, and it's now socially acceptable? Fifty years ago she'd be called a racist bitch for even thinking of doing such a thing.

To be transracial suggests that there is something inherently different about being a different race. It highlights obvious differences in human beings that come down to physical stereotypes of what we perceive other races to be.

So to sum up my feelings, transcultural is fine. Transracial is fucking racist. This is especially true when you consider that "voluntarily becoming white" somehow changes you being born black, or Asian, or "non-white".

We all want to be someone different on the outside (sometimes). It's a social construct that makes people ashamed to be who they really are in favor of how they think society wants them to be. This isn't something to celebrate.

[thetruepandagod]

Transsexualism is still quite literally body dysphoria there is no way to argue that it is not. The treatment however involves a much different approach than other forms of body dysphoria.

[thetruepandagod]

But really? Go the whole nine yards and restyle your hair, dye your skin dark, and it's now socially acceptable? Fifty years ago she'd be called a racist bitch for even thinking of doing such a thing.

Also just as an aside blackface was originally extremely liberal whether you believe it or not.

The idea was to create a bridge to break the cultural wall between blacks and whites. Therefore white guys wearing blackfaces but performing jazz or blues was the obvious answer.

Obviously it didn't age well, but the original blackfaces were extremely progressive.

[archibaldcrane]

Transsexualism is still quite literally body dysphoria there is no way to argue that it is not. The treatment however involves a much different approach than other forms of body dysphoria.

I think it's only considered dysphoria if a person is experiencing anguish because of their sex/body not matching their gender.

[thetruepandagod]

I think it's only considered dysphoria if a person is experiencing anguish because of their sex/body not matching their gender.

Isn't that the case for most transexuals though?

[archibaldcrane]

As I understand it, yes usually. Trans children probably are less likely to care about their bodies and more just about clothes and hairstyles, but I don't know for sure.

[Andalusian girls]

Transsexualism is still quite literally body dysphoria there is no way to argue that it is not. The treatment however involves a much different approach than other forms of body dysphoria.

if you're going to use clinical psychology terms you should probably be aware of modern clinical psychology. transsexualism, or as American psychology calls it gender dysphoria (previously gender identity disorder), is considered a medical condition in the DSM-V AND ICD-10 (respectively the American and international Bibles of mental illness diagnostics) but is a separate condition from body dysmorphic disorder, and itself is no longer considered a disorder.

BDD is primarily an anxiety disorder with mild underpinnings of delusion that causes individuals to obsess over a distorted self-image, one out of whack with any objective appraisal and independent of the actual physical state of the individual. there has been a mild push of late to reclassify anorexia nervosa as a subtype of body dysmorphia and for purposes of illustration it exemplifies the most salient feature of BDD. how skinny the individual is or will become is irrelevant to the discomfort the individual feels as a result of the disorder. you can see the contrast with transsexuals who generally do not desire to get more male or female than any human being could ever become.

most pertinently, contrasted with the internal source of distress for body dysmorphic disorder it is now widely accepted that the distress of gender dysphoria is not an intrinsic part of being transgender but is the result of the remaining societal stigma that accompanies the condition. that is to say one can have gender dysphoria and be perfectly well-adjusted and healthy psychology whereas BDD is by definition mental illness.

[Spicyryan]

God damn, Pikachu, I choose you.

[thetruepandagod]

if you're going to use clinical psychology terms you should probably be aware of modern clinical psychology. transsexualism, or as American psychology calls it gender dysphoria (previously gender identity disorder), is considered a medical condition in the DSM-V AND ICD-10 (respectively the American and international Bibles of mental illness diagnostics) but is a separate condition from body dysmorphic disorder, and itself is no longer considered a disorder.

BDD is primarily an anxiety disorder with mild underpinnings of delusion that causes individuals to obsess over a distorted self-image, one out of whack with any objective appraisal and independent of the actual physical state of the individual. there has been a mild push of late to reclassify anorexia nervosa as a subtype of body dysmorphia and for purposes of illustration it exemplifies the most salient feature of BDD. how skinny the individual is or will become is irrelevant to the discomfort the individual feels as a result of the disorder. you can see how the contrast with transsexuals who generally do not desire to get more male or female than any human being could ever become.

most pertinently, contrasted with the internal source of distress for body dysmorphic disorder it is now widely accepted that the distress of gender dysphoria is not an intrinsic part of being transgender but is the result of the remaining societal stigma that accompanies the condition. that is to say one can have gender dysphoria and be perfectly well-adjusted and healthy psychology whereas BDD is by definition mental illness.

[Zeb]

[notorious bum]

Financial aid was late, they trying to keep the white woman down!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/d...s/dolezal2.jpg

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/ra...lawsuit?page=1

[Mertron]

She also complained that some of her artwork had been removed from an exhibition because black students were being favored.

ok we're done here right?