Final Fantasy 7 Remake (PC/PS4) - March 3rd, 2020

[Yuri-G]

yeah sorry, as far as hard shit out of nowhere, tactics wins. Two fights in particular. There are ways to cheese etc, but your first playthrough? You got rolled.

to be fair to FFT, Tactics Ogre does this like twenty different times. Haborym and Cerya are the two that spring to mind immediately; Haborym was a swordmaster and could defend himself at least a little bit but Cerya you had to petrify or hit the RNG lottery to have even a chance of recruiting that suicidal bitch.


in regards to earlier comments, I've played every version of FFIV except fan versions and I've even tried some of those. none of them are what I would call overly difficult. there are spots where you're fucked if you weren't prepared, but nothing too awful. if you want difficult you have to look to the first three games. Crystal Tower in FFIII was excessively long with no save points and multiple bosses that can easily slaughter your party; now that was fun!

[Niiro]

[*]The [voicing] cast is expected to be the same from those of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.

[Kurokikaze]

I wouldn't take too much of that at face value considering they changed Barret's voice actor for the purpose of this game. Very much like the new actor too. Also I remember reading someone that they were definitely changing Red XIII's voice actor.

[Destinye]

I don't see how TB/ATB can be considered old/archaic instead of just another type of battle system? Why is action RPG considered modern anyway? Just because it closely mimics a realistic situation in a game that is as far from realistic as possible when compared to real life? I consider TB/ATB like chess where you have to have a strategy and think about your moves compared to action RPG where its mostly button mashing.

It's "Old/archaic" because of "nostalgia" - It simply is another battle system or the Tales of games should be considered old despite still essentially using the "classic" battle system.

Some more details , for the discussion:

• We’ll get to explore around all the areas of Midgar.
• Square Enix would like to delve more deeply into Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie.
• They can’t say how many volumes the entire Final Fantasy VII Remake will be in this stage.
• Can’t say anything about any online features for now.
• The main scenario for the multi-series’ first part is already completed.
• As previously reported, the game is using Epic Games’ Unreal Engine 4 to create the game. They’re also getting technological assistance from the Kingdom Hearts team, and may work together for the game in the near future.
• Cloud’s auditory hallucination scenes are being shaped up to be more meaningful.
• The [voicing] cast is expected to be the same from those of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.
• The “ATB Gauge” that turns red is different from a Limit Break, and Square Enix plans on having a special system, one that they can’t show yet, but it will change depending on the play-style of the player.
• They’ve yet to decide on whether there will be a guard.

And finally, the really important news: Finally, Nomura confirmed that Cloud will indeed be cross-dressing once again, though he said that his HD designs have not been finished yet. Poor guy, and many are still waiting for that new cross-dressing design to be revealed

So based on this:

-Good chance a chunk of Episode 1 will be filled with Avalanche backstory/side story stuff which is cool but it does kind of make sense why/how the game will get broken up if this is true.
-If they're wise hopefully only 5 at best if they keep it decent length (as in at least 30 hours each of actual gameplay.)
-Means they could essentially toss the game out very soon as they'll obviously use the funds from that to further development on it.
-The Japanese voices were pretty good for Advent Children so I don't mind that at all.
-Contextual battle system will definitely make this feel a lot more actiony than anything.

[Charismatic]

And finally, the really important news: Finally, Nomura confirmed that Cloud will indeed be cross-dressing once again, though he said that his HD designs have not been finished yet. Poor guy, and many are still waiting for that new cross-dressing design to be revealed

And here I thought the important news would be something Nomura didn't already confirm ages ago.

[Zetanio]

And here I thought the important news would be something Nomura didn't already confirm ages ago.

This is really the important news for me. It would ruin my immersion otherwise.

Other stuff is good too.

[Destinye]

And here I thought the important news would be something Nomura didn't already confirm ages ago.

Yeah..since it seems to be what a lot of people focus on lol.

[Teknique]

Wheres my honeybee inn confirmation!

[TheDirtyHobo]

(I loved Grandia at the time, but in retrospect probably wouldn't enjoy it much now)

Goddamnit, and I was kind of enjoying having a non-trolling, civil discussion with you for once.

As far as 10, I primarily meant pure as in untouched by ATB, not purist/traditional/whatever; it definitively is a turn based game and has no ATB elements. I think the rest of the debate is just varying definitions of what "getting away from the ATB system" means or implies. I see it more as trying to modify a system that, at its core, went completely unchanged from 4 to 9.

That is true though it's definitely one of the simpler ones but still fun and quite frankly every single "modern" RPG that still used a form of turn based battle systems or atb have updated it or they kept to their roots and modified it to an extent...but still have the traditional feel of it, which no one complains about. It's just the FF crowd that seems to get uppity, especially when VII is regarded. Obviously when people wanted a VII remake things would have changed but there's still plenty who woulda liked the traditional system.

That's kind of the major problem I have with the remake's current direction. They could've updated and modernized it the same way a lot of series do without making it (look like it will) feel so radically different. If they wanted to do a new system, I'd be perfectly fine for a new game, but why remake an old one?

[Charismatic]

This is really the important news for me. It would ruin my immersion otherwise.

Other stuff is good too.

All I'm saying is that he confirmed it months ago.
https://www.vg247.com/2015/06/17/fin...gritty-remake/

[TheDirtyHobo]

All I'm saying is that he confirmed it months ago.
https://www.vg247.com/2015/06/17/fin...gritty-remake/

"Please look forward to it."

Triggered. This has to be SE's company motto by this point.

[Malithar]

If they wanted to do a new system, I'd be perfectly fine for a new game, but why remake an old one?

Maybe I'm alone, but Advent Children gave me all kinds of feels of "I'd love to play FFVII like THAT." I don't see the harm in taking a story and characters that most people loved and crafting a different experience, specially if they're going to be as faithful and expansive to the original as they're talking about.

[notorious bum]

If they're only putting Midgar in the first chapter, that means it's more than just 3 releases. I'm not really looking forward to finishing FF7 over a five year period. Does anyone else get the feeling that they might resort to making shortcuts, possibly scrapping the world map and turning it into a hub-destination system?

[Tyrath]

If they're only putting Midgar in the first chapter, that means it's more than just 3 releases. I'm not really looking forward to finishing FF7 over a five year period. Does anyone else get the feeling that they might resort to making shortcuts, possibly scrapping the world map and turning it into a hub-destination system?

I did until they said they weren't going to cut things for the most part, only add.

Also where did it say first chapter would be only midgar? I just got that Midgar would be highly expanded.

[Charismatic]

If they're only putting Midgar in the first chapter, that means it's more than just 3 releases. I'm not really looking forward to finishing FF7 over a five year period. Does anyone else get the feeling that they might resort to making shortcuts, possibly scrapping the world map and turning it into a hub-destination system?

You're funny.

[notorious bum]

For some reason I read that bullet list as Midar being what we'll get to explore in the first release. My only worry is that with all of what they are adding, they may end up getting in over their heads and want to rush the rest of the real meat of the game after we've all grown bored of Midgar.

[Destinye]

I mean, it'd be interesting to visit the sectors we never did in the other games (Though you KIND of do in Before Crisis) but not at the expense of the fact they spent so much tine on Midgar that that entire arc takes up the whole first episode, which would still be KIND of the same as the original but if they're adding more content, it just gonna feel like padding more than anything haha.

[Alkar]

I highly doubt the first game will be in Midgar. It's a pretty long sequence in the original but compared to the rest of the game it's very short so they need to go beyond Midgar unless they're planning 10 games.
I'd say the Cargo Ship is most likely because the main reason for this split is the overworld.

[Elcura]

Goddamnit, and I was kind of enjoying having a non-trolling, civil discussion with you for once.

Ya lost me. Not that I mind but eh.

Also is trolling disagreeing? Seems to be the case.

As far as 10, I primarily meant pure as in untouched by ATB, not purist/traditional/whatever; it definitively is a turn based game and has no ATB elements. I think the rest of the debate is just varying definitions of what "getting away from the ATB system" means or implies. I see it more as trying to modify a system that, at its core, went completely unchanged from 4 to 9.

But that's exactly what I'm getting at when I say you need to update or change or add things to it. You can (not you specifically but someone did) quote tales as a game with systems that haven't changed (LOL) over the years but even the most basic tales games put 100x more effort into their characters and battle systems than FF does. Only recently have SE actually made an effort with gameplay, but most people are like OH WE LIKE TB CUZ.

Which is fine, I'd kinda like a mix between action and classic RPG shit.

Maybe I'm alone, but Advent Children gave me all kinds of feels of "I'd love to play FFVII like THAT." I don't see the harm in taking a story and characters that most people loved and crafting a different experience, specially if they're going to be as faithful and expansive to the original as they're talking about.

This is what I feel mostly. Even playing shit like Dissidia you see how these characters could fight and how much more awesome they are when they aren't stuck to the floor swinging once a turn.

[BerenTebogo]

FFT was the only game in memory where it literally forced me to restart the whole thing cuz I saved like a dumbass in one slot before the Wiegraf fight. That shit was hard, fuck all this pinky raising "wat wuz really hard" type conversations.

Yeah FFT gave everyone the intro to "use more than one save file". I dont believe the "I had no problem on my first playthrough" shit unless your first playthrough was years after release.