Update files are up! Let the DAT mining begin!

[Kiarax]

Do we even know that Reprisal and Storm's Path don't stack together? They specifcally state you can't use the INT debuff together with MNKs, so it's possible Reprisal and Path actually stack (even though that'd be pretty crazy). There's also the fact that it's oGCD, so it's a pretty nice chunk of damage to throw out between skills whenever it's up. If it had a 15-20 second cooldown that might just be adding more DPS than they'd like.

[Niiro]

They have decent potencies on paper but their lack of straight damage buff skills worries me. Sure their 123 combo is a little higher than Warriors but Warrior has 100% uptime on a 20% damage buff, Berserk is leaps and bounds better than Blood Weapon, etc.

edit: oh woops, misread, Blood Weapon can only be used when not under Grit, so DRK's tanking damage is probably going to be behind WAR still, they have no skills that ignore Grit's damage debuff like WAR does.

edit again: but the skill icon says "Grit required".........what?



Ultimately DRK's damage capabilities revolve around how quickly they go thru MP, that's the biggest question still.

-How quickly does DRK go thru MP
-How much MP does Siphon Strike recover
-> Does it scale with damage or does it recover a fixed amount like Riot Blade? (knowing SE I would assume the latter)

[Niiro]

Also I assume Delirium and Dragon Kick won't overwrite eachother since Delirium doesn't give -blunt, and the "not stacking" just refers to the INT down aspect, but I will piss myself laughing if it does.

[krazyrs]

any gun dats pulled yet?

[Carth]

edit: oh woops, misread, Blood Weapon can only be used when not under Grit, so DRK's tanking damage is probably going to be behind WAR still, they have no skills that ignore Grit's damage debuff like WAR does.

edit again: but the skill icon says "Grit required".........what?

Yeah the description is really contradicting. I would assume it can only be used when not under Grit because that simply makes more sense.

[Kiarax]

I was confused on Blood Weapon because the Garland DB has a fucky description for it:

Cannot be used during Grit but requires Grit? Maybe it's supposed to be cannot be used during Darkside (since it recovers MP and Darkside seems to shut down any MP recovery effects)? If it's the latter it means you can't stack your haste+damage buff, which just adds to the seemingly mediocre offensive CD options.

[Niiro]

I assume DRK will be able to recover MP during Darkside (via Siphon/Blood weapon/Blood Price) just not from outside sources (meds, Ballad, etc).

If not they can't maintain it at least a vast majority of the time their damage is just going to be ass, like worse than PLD.

[Niiro]

Also regarding Reprisal: this is SE, we wanted reactionary skills like Shield Swipe to be off-GCD, so they did that, then tacked a 30s/60s recast timer.

Should have seen it coming a mile away tbh, that's textbook barance.

[Spider-Dan]

Some of those notes seem to be an artifact of their DAT mining process. For example, all the songs (but no other buffs) say "Mage's Ballad gained", "Army's Paeon gained", etc.

[solracht]

I trust the "Grit required" part of the skill more than the text description. If I'm not mistaken, those icons at the bottom are added when the skill specifically links into a different status effect/skill.

Also, Darkside's description says:
MP is slowly drained while increasing damage dealt by 15%. MP refreshing statuses have no effect.
Effect ends upon reuse.

So I imagine anything that puts a buff on you won't work (Ballad, Blood Weapon, Blood Price) but things like Syphon Blade or Ethers will work.

[Taint]

So WAR is the perma spot.

MT DPS WAR=> DRK >PLD
MT mitigation PLD > WAR =DRK
Utility WAR > DRK > PLD
OT DPS single target they are all close
OT DPS multiple targets WAR =>DRK > PLD

PLD is the turtle tank maybe used for week one learning and later for sword oath farming. WAR is OP and DRK is not far behind.

[Orophin]

Anyone listen to 44c7813c? Sounds really badass. I'm hoping I can pull just the vocals out of the ogg so I can figure out what the lyrics are.

[Niiro]

I trust the "Grit required" part of the skill more than the text description. If I'm not mistaken, those icons at the bottom are added when the skill specifically links into a different status effect/skill.

Also, Darkside's description says:
MP is slowly drained while increasing damage dealt by 15%. MP refreshing statuses have no effect.
Effect ends upon reuse.

So I imagine anything that puts a buff on you won't work (Ballad, Blood Weapon, Blood Price) but things like Syphon Blade or Ethers will work.

The Blood buffs themselves don't actually refresh MP, they just cause the damage you deal/take to restore MP, so it's possible they'll still work.

The wording just makes it sound like it's referring to Ballad and the MCH equivalent.

[Ophannus]

2yalm range for Battle Litany? It should have been like 10 at least, nobody's gonna fit on 2yalms unless everyone is literally stacked

[Niiro]

So WAR is the perma spot.

MT DPS WAR=> DRK >PLD
MT mitigation PLD > WAR =DRK
Utility WAR > DRK > PLD
OT DPS single target they are all close
OT DPS multiple targets WAR =>DRK > PLD

PLD is the turtle tank maybe used for week one learning and later for sword oath farming. WAR is OP and DRK is not far behind.

I would consider PLD to have more utility than DRK, what does DRK offer as OT other than INT down?

PLD has STR down, Stoneskin, Cover, Divine Veil, and Clemency.

[Obsidian]

Anyone able to point me to a full list of PLD changes/additions?

[Taint]

I would consider PLD to have more utility than DRK, what does DRK offer as OT other than INT down?

PLD has STR down, Stoneskin, Cover, Divine Veil, and Clemency.

They have damage down 10%. Which may more may not be better depending on the fight and how PLDs actions interact.

[Krad]

As a Lv60 we can not go into T5, T9 and T13 to zerg the shit out of the place to drop the three new weapons for collection and glam sake, because entering an instance as Lv60 removes loot drops correct? (Apparently I'm not allowed to talk in the general discussion thread)

[Cutriss]

Anyone able to point me to a full list of PLD changes/additions?

Here you go.



Too lazy to shop.

[Carth]

I would consider PLD to have more utility than DRK, what does DRK offer as OT other than INT down?

INT Down (Delirium)
Lowers Damage Dealt (Reprisal)
Blind AoE (Dark Passenger)
More AoE damage than PLD.

PLD has STR down, Stoneskin, and Clemency. Shield Swipe if tanking, but Pacification never works on anything important.