Paladin 3.0 - Now with +1 Button

[Taint]

Its a counter. Its something you sneak in when the opportunity presents itself. Its not something you sit there and set up for and fire off. It feels so clunky having a goddamn counter that can't be fired off until your GCD resets. It feels like something out of 2001. It really, really needs to be changed. I'm about to remove it from my bar because I have 0 opportunities to use it in an actual fight.

oh no I 100% agree. Make it 150 pot and ogcd. PLD needs the MT DPS buff and it makes the skill more of a counter attack. They could even make it shield oath only, since they are scared of sword oath tanking.

[Lucavi]

Right, the damage was never the problem with it. I don't care if its 50pot, because it never gets used.

Also, the animation is trash. It looks like I'm skipping through the mulberry bush. More shield slams, please; less anime skipping up-thrusts.

[Niiro]

They could just steal the animation for Shield Bash, another skill that almost never gets used.

[Taim Meich]

Or they could take a middle road and keep the potency but make it force a lower gcd, like 1.5 seconds. We know they can, Lustrate and Meditation have it. That way you could fit at least one from time to time, no?

[Obsidian]

Its a counter. Its something you sneak in when the opportunity presents itself. Its not something you sit there and set up for and fire off. It feels so clunky having a goddamn counter that can't be fired off until your GCD resets. It feels like something out of 2001. It really, really needs to be changed. I'm about to remove it from my bar because I have 0 opportunities to use it in an actual fight.

At 60 the opportunity will never present itself because it's not enough potency to bother with.

And well before they touch anything else about the job, take the fucking Oaths off the GCD and stop making them kill combos.

[Wulfgang]

1000% on the OGCD Swipe / Oath swaps

[Edelweiss]

B-but the balanace, guys.

Think of the consequences for the dev team's beloved balance! These retarded flaws and impediments are part of how PLD was balanced. It's a feature!

Spoiler: show

I sometimes wonder if that nonsense is actually true. I don't think they even play their own game, or at least play it like we do. It'd definitely explain some shit they've pulled lately, or continue to think is not an issue at all. I'm not looking forward to wiping because I suddenly had to change Oaths in "Savage," and didn't have a brief phase change window/jump to do so.

[Niiro]

The way the devs probably play the game we're lucky we can even swap oaths in combat.

[Seravi Edalborez]

They definitely proved they "can" turn a GCD into a oGCD with Rain of Death. I think Swipe is a matter of time.

One thing I've learned to appreciate now that we have Goring Blade is just cancelling Shield Oath instead of swapping to Sword Oath and starting the combo over. Became a learned habit on DRK with dropping Grit. I think most PLDs should learn to play DRK not because it's useful (it probably isn't yet) but just because it reinforces what you think you already know.

[Edelweiss]

cancelling Shield Oath instead of swapping to Sword Oath and starting the combo over

To be honest, i'm actually shocked they didn't nerf this yet.

[Lucavi]

I'll say it again until I stop being mad about it (which I can't see happening soon): get Shield Swipe off the fucking GCD.

...I'm so sorry for all of you in this thread.

[Kirbyprime]

To be honest, i'm actually shocked they didn't nerf this yet.

Hush, don't give them any ideas.

[Taint]

They definitely proved they "can" turn a GCD into a oGCD with Rain of Death. I think Swipe is a matter of time.

One thing I've learned to appreciate now that we have Goring Blade is just cancelling Shield Oath instead of swapping to Sword Oath and starting the combo over. Became a learned habit on DRK with dropping Grit. I think most PLDs should learn to play DRK not because it's useful (it probably isn't yet) but just because it reinforces what you think you already know.

Is that worth it to do and lose a GCD putting an oath back up?

Also Swipe will be part of our rotation as soon as we can fit 9 GCDs between Goring, which is not far off.

[Seravi Edalborez]

I mean if I'm for some reason in Shield Oath (I go into it sometimes in A4 adds, or A3 hand split), Goring is coming up, and I don't want to be in Shield Oath anymore I can just drop it and do that Goring. I don't know how many GCDs you need to be in Sword for it to have been worth wasting a GCD stance dancing, but stance dropping doesn't cost you the whole GCD.

edit: I should specify that our group is an oddball. WAR MT, PLD OT for a lot of situations.

[Taint]

I guess I can see that as a way of getting extra pot right before a sword oath swap.

Drop shield > goring/royal > sword

I lean towards swapping early and popping a CD if available.

PLD is a lot more interesting in 3.0 and in a very good way.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Right, but sometimes I'm coming out of Quarantine after just having done Riot. Quite a lot actually.

[Taint]

Quarantine deemed random?

I'm rarely selected but never have hate on the left leg.

[Seravi Edalborez]

From what I can tell, hate on the Manipulator himself is basically an average of both legs (or highest on any one leg? idk). I whack the Right leg just so it has aggro on me (don't know if I even need to do this but whatever), but otherwise I'm in Sword also hitting the Left leg. Because of this I never have hate on Manipulator and I am picked for Quarantine 100% of the time, unless MT dies then I have to voke in.

Because of this also, I basically never actually have hate on the Right leg anyways because my hate resets constantly. So I may as well not even hit it!

[Taint]

From what I can tell, hate on the Manipulator himself is basically an average of both legs (or highest on any one leg? idk). I whack the Right leg just so it has aggro on me (don't know if I even need to do this but whatever), but otherwise I'm in Sword also hitting the Left leg. Because of this I never have hate on Manipulator and I am picked for Quarantine 100% of the time, unless MT dies then I have to voke in.

Because of this also, I basically never actually have hate on the Right leg anyways because my hate resets constantly. So I may as well not even hit it!

Cool that makes the most sense and explains why I'm rarely picked.

[Detzu]

You mean, you can be picked while being MT? I never saw that.
We generally just ignore the left leg (except stun) and focus on right leg.
Providing everyone is alive it's always the OT and a DPS isn't it?