Paladin 3.0 - Now with +1 Button

[Niiro]

We all know the only fix coming is the cast time will be reduced from 3s to 2.5s and the potency from 1200 to 800.

Better to just make peace with it now.

[Lucavi]

If spellcasting will continue to break combos for PLD, Clemency would be better off as a Regen or Medica II-type spell.

What about making divine veil a shorter recast and give it a very strong regen as well? Regen is the best initial hate-grabbing tool in the game, and giving pld a reliable way to have it up would be pretty swank. Make the regen trigger-able by any healing spell, but always have the regen attributed to the pld itself for hate.

[Edelweiss]

What about making divine veil a shorter recast and give it a very strong regen as well? Regen is the best initial hate-grabbing tool in the game, and giving pld a reliable way to have it up would be pretty swank. Make the regen trigger-able by any healing spell, but always have the regen attributed to the pld itself for hate.

I guess, but Divine Veil works ok as is. Are you proposing the shield gets dropped in favor of a fairly potent HoT? Either way, realistically Clemency is the bigger problem. As is, it's fucking garbage and it's a huge loss to even attempt to cast it (nevermind to actually complete the cast and have accomplished fucking nothing). At least in its current form, Divine Veil offers some benefit (even if it's maybe twice a fight).

[Whaleporn]

have clemency do damage in a small aoe around the target based on how much it healed, this is called the omniknight solution

[Lucavi]

I guess, but Divine Veil works ok as is. Are you proposing the shield gets dropped in favor of a fairly potent HoT? Either way, realistically Clemency is the bigger problem. As is, it's fucking garbage and it's a huge loss to even attempt to cast it (nevermind to actually complete the cast and have accomplished fucking nothing). At least in its current form, Divine Veil offers some benefit (even if it's maybe twice a fight).

I am, if the clemency change would leave the cast time in. If Clemency was insta-cast, or far shorter of a cast, I wouldn't touch Divine Veil. I don't know how much of an additional use I'd get with Clemency if the cast time was still as long as it is, given that I still have 0 time to do any other GCD-able moves in my pld rotation at risk of losing substantial DPS.

[Aiurily]

have clemency do damage in a small aoe around the target based on how much it healed, this is called the omniknight solution

i had this idea too, but rather, aoe damage around yourself when you heal, so that you dont sacrifice your dps just so you can use your utility skill. maybe like 200 non-aspected potency would be fair.

[gaira]

will clemency proc divine veil? never tried, i just leveled it to have something to do expert on, but i end up always going blm instead.

[The Stig]

will clemency proc divine veil? never tried, i just leveled it to have something to do expert on, but i end up always going blm instead.

Nope.

I believe another PLD's celemency on you would work though.

[MrSamuels]

Nothing for Patch 3.0.7, no mention of any issues raised in their live letter. They must think Paladin is okay and in a good place, the only way adjustments seem to happen in this game is when people stop using it, which probably isn't going to happen.

Even DRK's got a slight TP QoL adjustment, but me running out of TP on Faust or P1 of A1S must clearly be a "Learn to Play Hallowed Ground is OP"

[Carth]

The lack of shits given about PLD pretty much confirms I need to jump ship. This is too similar to when SE kept their head in their asses about RDM in XI and I'm not about to do this same song and dance again.

[OPneedNerfs]

The lack of shits given about PLD pretty much confirms I need to jump ship. This is too similar to when SE kept their head in their asses about RDM in XI and I'm not about to do this same song and dance again.

Yep, it seems that the XIV team is dead set on doing the "Flavour of the Month" style of balancing where it has absolutely no place in an MMO with caps on attaining different weapons of the highest tiers for different classes.

[TheDirtyHobo]

On the bright side, I asked our PLD to try DRK at least for a few levels 2 days ago. Spent the first 2 levels bitching about how slow everything felt, then when I log on two days later he's 44. I quote: "I never knew being an edgelord faggot would be this much fun."

[Carth]

"I never knew being an edgelord faggot would be this much fun."

I'll probably have a similar reaction towards WAR once I stop being a hipster.

[Dr. Pavel]

They literally even failed to address the fucking Halone combo aggro modifiers. They seem to straight out have no idea what they're doing regarding tank balance.

[Mira]

They said aggro changes would happen 3.1 for all tanks

[Kaslo]

On the bright side, I asked our PLD to try DRK at least for a few levels 2 days ago. Spent the first 2 levels bitching about how slow everything felt, then when I log on two days later he's 44. I quote: "I never knew being an edgelord faggot would be this much fun."

I was not excited about DRK then started leveling it after I got SMN BLM PLD to cap and yep, if my static didn't need me caster I would main DRK.

[Taint]

They said aggro changes would happen 3.1 for all tanks

Yeah I'm giving PLD until 3.1. Then jumping ship to WAR if there isn't some sort of bone thrown our way. There is exactly one reason not to bring two WARs to everything and that's the LB gauge. I've been trying hard to enjoy DRK but the oGCD management is annoying at 60. WAR plays smooth as silk.

[Jahaudant]

Yeah I'm giving PLD until 3.1. Then jumping ship to WAR if there isn't some sort of bone thrown our way. There is exactly one reason not to bring two WARs to everything and that's the LB gauge. I've been trying hard to enjoy DRK but the oGCD management is annoying at 60. WAR plays smooth as silk.

I imagine the dps gain switching a PLD to a WAR vastly outweighs the the increased time to LB3.

[Jem]

Are you fucking kidding me. We get nothing whilst they give a job like MNK a buff?

As a PLD and a BRD, this dev team seriously depresses me.

[Edelweiss]

I'll probably have a similar reaction towards WAR once I stop being a hipster.

Being Conan the Barbarian and fucking shit up with Fell Cleave/Decimate, ontop of being just as effective (or even more effective) tanking is an incredible feeling.

I imagine the dps gain switching a PLD to a WAR vastly outweighs the the increased time to LB3.

It's probably not even terribly close; having Eye and Path up full-time (or just Eye if split tanking shit like in A1) is just fantastic. Plus LBs seem to have regressed in terms of their usefulness outside of like maybe LB2-3 at one specific thing (and you'd basically be sitting on it anyway..).