Dark Knight Discussion

[Churchill]

I would personally go:

For fights without massive tankbusters/mitigation requirements or extremely predictable mitigation with low chance of death eg Ravana:

Warrior / Warrior | White Mage / Scholar | Summoner | Dragoon | Monk |

--> If no Ballad requirements (experience, or lack of massive healing checks)
------> Black Mage
--> If Ballad requirement, or single tank
------> Bard + Black Mage


For the sake of not doing that again, insert Paladin as required.

Insert Dark Knight as required IF it turns out they are more beneficial for a specific mechanic (eg, Akh Morn can be split, so who cares about magic reduction)

Or do whatever you want because muh10$amonth.

I think the lack of outside TP requirements for Dragoon, Monk, and Warrior synergize nicely with not taking a Bard if possible, and the amount of burst damage capable by a Warrior MT, even if only stance swapping during Berserk uptime, is too good to pass up.

Edit: Single tank, Paladin is a lot more potent now too and may really alleviate any necessity for a Bard, though going two tanks with one being a Warrior is still not the worst idea in the world if only so any adds are more easily dealt with. Not dissimilar to DPS racing 2nd Coil with full STR builds instead of going 5 DPS.

Also, if no Bard, that last slot would ideally be Ninja or Warrior, or both (and no Summoner), if Bard, obviously take a Black Mage too so you can at least make them useful with Foe's for the casters.

Paladin isn't quite 1.0 great at not needing a healer but it's still pretty amazing.

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One idea I did postulate though was whether or not extreme raid buff synching would be beneficial or not, or at which point it might become so.

For example, I've mentioned before that a Warrior does close to 50% of their damage during Berserk, and in the future we can just remove the "close to" because it will actually be higher than 50%.

At which point (Assuming Ninja, Dragoon, Warrior, other DPS) is syncing Trick Attack, Battle Litany, Ifrit and Berserk more effective than obvious usage (Burn phases, on CD).

I'm not aware what other classes damage spreads look like because they typically have more than one offensive cooldown to manage or have higher potencies outside of burst mechanics.

[Churchill]

Also don't party comp like that or you know Warrior is getting nerfed.

[Niiro]

I'm pretty confident DRK's burst enmity is higher than WAR (at least for the first 9 GCD's).

WAR has a +75% damage boost for those 9 GCDs, nothing a DRK (or PLD) has can come anywhere close to that.

[Kiarax]

At which point (Assuming Ninja, Dragoon, Warrior, other DPS) is syncing Trick Attack, Battle Litany, Ifrit and Berserk more effective than obvious usage (Burn phases, on CD).

I'm not aware what other classes damage spreads look like because they typically have more than one offensive cooldown to manage or have higher potencies outside of burst mechanics.

MCH also can so 5% vuln for 10 seconds on a 2 minute CD, though I'm not sure that's good enough to justify bringing them over another better DPS class since I'd assume a burn comp like this wouldn't necessitate TP/MP regen. If they do they might be better than a BRD though in a physical heavy comp.

[Jahaudant]

WAR has a +75% damage boost for those 9 GCDs, nothing a DRK (or PLD) has can come anywhere close to that.

Yeah, WAR certainly does put the hurt on with burst damage but I'm not 100% sure that translates in to more threat than a DRK. I was looking for the threat modifiers for DRK but can't find them again now. IIRC DA boosted Power Slash was something like x15 or more (x5 base, x1.5 grit, x2 DA)- 3 times stronger than BB in Deliverance.

I could be wrong but it's got to be a lot closer than people are making it out as.

[Niiro]

I haven't done enmity testing for DRK but a lot of those numbers sound pulled from a nearby ass.

Also even if Grit-DA-Power is a x15 enmity mod Butcher's in Defiance is x11.

[Jahaudant]

Deliverance* , I meant Deliverance.

And actually, if DRK follows the same rough outline as WAR then it's around x5 base, x2 for stance, and some unknown modifier for DA. The DA modifier is, by just eyeing it, obscenely high.

Would be interesting to find out, but I'm not exactly on the edge of my seat waiting... who the hell opens with 3 Power Slashes on anything that matters? No one.

[Sigmakan]

DA likely just increases PS enmity modifier as opposed to applying another modifier. Would be really interested in seeing those numbers though . . .

[Seravi Edalborez]

I recall it taking Power Slash from 5.0x to 6.5x but I didn't bookmark the page nor remember which site I saw it on.

e: Found.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...k-Knight-Guide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1936655652

How reputable it is/n't, I dunno. Regardless, correction: 5.5x -> 6.5x on Power.

[Sigmakan]

Interesting, if thats the case then you're better off using that first DA on CnS

[Kiarax]

You can DA prepull so you always just open with a DA CaS after your first GCD.

[Seravi Edalborez]

One QoL thing I would love that will never happen: make popping Blood Weapon usable in Grit, but just have it turn Grit off. It's cumbersome to wait for GCD to Grit off and then fumble more for BW.

[Sigmakan]

On a related note, turning off grit is so hard to notice. A lot of times I accidentally turn it back on.

[Artifact]

One QoL thing I would love that will never happen: make popping Blood Weapon usable in Grit, but just have it turn Grit off. It's cumbersome to wait for GCD to Grit off and then fumble more for BW.

This.

On a related note, turning off grit is so hard to notice. A lot of times I accidentally turn it back on.

And this more. I use the Naga, and when Low Blow resets, Plunge soon after and finishing off a combo ... sometimes my fat stubby fingers knock off Grit. Sometimes Darkside too, but at least I notice that red aura disappear.

[Niiro]

I still say the solution is to make Blood Weapon and Blood Price share a recast and allow them to be used regardless of Grit.

It would relegate Price to only being used when you're tanking multiple targets, but who cares, there's already a bunch of skills like that.

[Neon_Sea]

Yup, Blood Weapon in Grit and CnS give TP done.

[Taint]

Anyone mind posting their DRK DPS rotation? Especially interested in DA usage around CnS. I'm dummy parsing in the 800 range so I'm missing something. Thanks in advance.

[kisada]

really annoyed they didn't touch drk in terms of adjustments today.

they are seriously fucking assholes

[Seravi Edalborez]

If anything, slight dungeon nerf because Ewer is now incompatible with us.

[Kiarax]

really annoyed they didn't touch drk in terms of adjustments today.

they are seriously fucking assholes

Yo you see these magical tankbusters? PLD and WAR will be the ones getting adjustments to keep up! Still think people are being way too hard on DRK, its TP issues are the only real problem with the class in my eyes, and they're far less prominent when you're tanking anyway because Grit exists and makes us lose Blood Weapon, not to mention it's a problem PLD has always suffered from and hasn't had fixed either.