Dark Knight Discussion

[holyshoot]

The "full str all day every day" thing is cancer. Try doing A1 with some wannabe dps Warrior with barely 15k HP in defiance... Even when you pop Vengeance, IB, Conv, Thrill and Path correctly for the buster you are guaranteed around 15k damage out of around 16k health and all it takes is being 1-2k HP under max for a wipe. Meanwhile, at the opposite end, I'm in piss-easy-to-obtain crafted accessories at 25k hp and my healer is DPSing while eating a sandwich no problem.

Wearing full vit on anything outside of a2s and beyond is dumb if you know who is healing you or at least one of the healers. While you sit there in 25k hp doing 250dps and your healer pulling 400 dps maybe. I'll be doing 800-900 with grit off in a a1 normal while my healer does 200-300 dps.

The above scenario actually happened. Went into a a1 normal with 6 pugs and me and a healer that I knew and the other tank was a all vit war noob pulling 250 dps while the healers were able to do 200-300 dps and my opressor was lower then theirs by 12% HP going full str with no grit on. Had to have one of the dps go to the .5 just to even it out. Still killed it in like 6 1/2 mins.

I can't wait to hit 60 on my war and never leave deliverance stance wearing all str when I have healers with me I know.

[Kaixin]

damn you really owned a1 normal

[holyshoot]

damn you really owned a1 normal

Clearly I should be all VIT for it.

[Taim Meich]

Clearly I should be all VIT for it.

The point is, you have no point, if that's your only example.

[Jahaudant]

Wearing full vit on anything outside of a2s and beyond is dumb if you know who is healing you or at least one of the healers. While you sit there in 25k hp doing 250dps and your healer pulling 400 dps maybe. I'll be doing 800-900 with grit off in a a1 normal while my healer does 200-300 dps.

The above scenario actually happened. Went into a a1 normal with 6 pugs and me and a healer that I knew and the other tank was a all vit war noob pulling 250 dps while the healers were able to do 200-300 dps and my opressor was lower then theirs by 12% HP going full str with no grit on. Had to have one of the dps go to the .5 just to even it out. Still killed it in like 6 1/2 mins.

I can't wait to hit 60 on my war and never leave deliverance stance wearing all str when I have healers with me I know.

Did you even read the post you quoted in your ridiculous tirade?

[Ragnus]

So what I'm getting from this is that for leveling at the 50s range I should stick with Ironworks Slaying accessories.

[Taint]

So what I'm getting from this is that for leveling at the 50s range I should stick with Ironworks Slaying accessories.

You should really have 3 gear sets for any tank job.

Full VIT (rarely used)
Full STR (used the most)
Hybird (either true hybrids or a mix of STR/VIT accessories)

Then you can quickly swap them mid dungeon as needed. For FATEs go Full STR.

[Ragnus]

Okay, cool. Poetics are still super easy to get so it should be easy to grab all the Fending accessories also.

[Jahaudant]

So much effort for accessories you'll replace in 2 levels...

Go to Foundation and purchase a set of NQ accessories from the jewellery vendor (Jeweled Crozier teleport).

Replace them with dungeon accessories as you get them.

Total cost: about 40 seconds and 60k~ gil.

[Kiarax]

You shouldn't need any VIT accessories until the Vault at the earliest, even then it's just something to swap to if you get a shitty healer/party. Just need roll any that drop in the prior dungeons and throw them on if you have a slow healer, otherwise full STR all the way to 60.

[Ravant]

Is Dark Passenger worth using in fights like AS1 or 3? I can maybe see it being usable in AS2 and of course dungeons but in fights like AS1 and 3 I just don't know if the MP is really worth it.

[Artifact]

Is Dark Passenger worth using in fights like AS1 or 3? I can maybe see it being usable in AS2 and of course dungeons but in fights like AS1 and 3 I just don't know if the MP is really worth it.

I don't use it aside from A2. Or ever think to use my MP on that unless it is trash mobs. The idea of blinding a group of mobs when my MP management depends on getting hit is meh...

[Ravant]

I don't use it aside from A2. Or ever think to use my MP on that unless it is trash mobs. The idea of blinding a group of mobs when my MP management depends on getting hit is meh...

I usually save it for when Blood Price is about to run out then DA > Passenger to Blind everything.

[Eleven19]

I don't use it aside from A2. Or ever think to use my MP on that unless it is trash mobs. The idea of blinding a group of mobs when my MP management depends on getting hit is meh...

.... Wooow i just made that connection. That makes me furious lol.

[Niiro]

You ever notice what DA+Dark Dance does?

Either way, it's not like anything in savage can miss to begin with.

[Eleven19]

You ever notice what DA+Dark Dance does?

Either way, it's not like anything in savage can miss to begin with.

Nah i meant the realization that ive been blinding groups of mobs with blood price up. That feels really counter productive. I never made the connection.

[Jahaudant]

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[Kiarax]

Hit Dark Passenger pretty much any time it's up unless you're absolutely MP starved and actually need the MP for something (you probably don't 99% of the time!). Only time I don't hit it is if I'm a little low on MP before the A1 tank buster (saving for DA Dark Mind) or if it's right at the end of a pack of mobs in A2 (need MP to pick up next set of mobs depending on wave). It's very MP efficient damage and off the GCD, it's silly not to use it whenever it's up. It's not worth using Dark Arts on it single target though, unless you have a huge surplus of MP (not using Grit so can Blood Weapon) and can blow a Dark Arts without giving up a DA Souleater. Non DA version is still 150 potency for only 884 MP though (and off the GCD to boot), what else are you blowing your MP on? DA Souleater is only a gain of 120 potency over Delirium and costs literally twice as much MP (1768).

[Dein]

I usually save it for when Blood Price is about to run out then DA > Passenger to Blind everything.

Pretty much this.

I do use Dark Passenger though every chance I get in A1 and A2. It's an oGCD attack so I try to use it as much as I can.

[Ravant]

Hit Dark Passenger pretty much any time it's up unless you're absolutely MP starved and actually need the MP for something (you probably don't 99% of the time!). Only time I don't hit it is if I'm a little low on MP before the A1 tank buster (saving for DA Dark Mind) or if it's right at the end of a pack of mobs in A2 (need MP to pick up next set of mobs depending on wave). It's very MP efficient damage and off the GCD, it's silly not to use it whenever it's up. It's not worth using Dark Arts on it single target though, unless you have a huge surplus of MP (not using Grit so can Blood Weapon) and can blow a Dark Arts without giving up a DA Souleater. Non DA version is still 150 potency for only 884 MP though (and off the GCD to boot), what else are you blowing your MP on? DA Souleater is only a gain of 120 potency over Delirium and costs literally twice as much MP (1768).

Thanks for the reply. Ya I've been pretty much blowing MP on DA Souleaters and DA Carve and Splits and wasn't sure if it was more MP efficient to use Dark Passenger at all. So basically if I'm understanding correctly Dark Passenger > Delirium Combo instead of skipping Dark Passenger and just doing a DA Souleater Combo?