Dark Knight Discussion

[Kiarax]

I agree that its great for mitigation in dungeons. The issue is that its counterproductive for MP regen via blood price. Perhaps blood price is the real issue and needs to return MP for evaded attacks as well.

It is a little contradictory, but I don't really see why so many people take such a big issue with that. You don't have to pop Blood Price at the same time and even if you do you get boatloads more MP back than you'll probably ever need regardless if you're pulling a substantial amount of mobs. MP management is part of the class, I don't think consciously holding a cooldown for the sake of it is really a problem. You don't pop all your mitigation CDs at the same time on any tank class because it's just plain silly to do so, Blood Price is kinda the same way, just because that button is lit up doesn't mean you have to hit it right now.

[Edelweiss]

For me, DRK doesn't so much need balance changes so much as "flow" changes. WAR and PLD all flow very comfortably and their abilities work in unison, especially WAR's. DRK as a whole feels like I'm playing beatmania half the time because I'm hitting 50 buttons to get all the oGCDs off and constantly hitting Dark Arts. Blood Weapon makes this even more cumbersome.

Only part that I disagree with, as Oaths and spell casting just fucking slaughter any flow PLD has.

I'm still of the opinion that DRK would've been a lot better off with LNC crossclass instead of MRD. MRD effectively does nothing for DRK besides Foresight, while LNC would fix a large majority of DRK's downsides.

To be honest, LNC would be better on the whole for DRK and PLD. Keen Flurry and Invigorate would just be wonderful to have on both, though Invigorate would definitely be a much bigger deal due to the infamous TP problems. I guess Blood for Blood has use when OTing or whatever. Either way, they're undoubtedly more useful than fucking Foresight and Bloodbath.

[Sigmakan]

@kiarax

Agreed, but your proposed mitigation of DA+DD and DA+DP is a huge portion of your mp pool and doesn't include any hate moves. You would want to have blood price up to help recover the huge MP cost.

When you use this combo in dungeons, when do you pop blood price?

[Kiarax]

I only use DA Passenger+Dance on big pulls, in which case I throw up Blood Price anyway, you'll still recover more MP than you expend spamming Unleash and you shouldn't even need more than a couple of Unleashes to keep enmity until stuff dies. in which case you can either resort to rotating your enmity combo or delirium if you need to recover MP for the next pack. On small packs I don't ever DA Dark Dance, I'll use it on Passenger just for damage sake but I don't think the mitigation outweighs the MP cost on Dance on easy pulls.

[Niiro]

The problem with giving any tank LNC cross class is Keen Flurry is.....really really strong.

It's really really strong because it was meant to be a DPS cooldown, so it being powerful wasn't a big deal.

Give it to a tank and suddenly you realize it's essentially the parry equivalent of Bulwark and you can use it twice as often.

[Taint]

The problem with giving any tank LNC cross class is Keen Flurry is.....really really strong.

It's really really strong because it was meant to be a DPS cooldown, so it being powerful wasn't a big deal.

Give it to a tank and suddenly you realize it's essentially the parry equivalent of Bulwark and you can use it twice as often.

My raw intuition would agree that would be broken.

[Kalima]

Does Dark Dance help evade anything on the A1S adds? I've never looked.

I meant that I just use DD by itself, never charged with DA. Haven't tried buffing it on Faust adds but I would guess it wouldn't help at all anyway and I already have a groove down as to what to use when.

And speaking of that, thanks for the suggestions. We went in last night and one shorted Faust but I think that was more of having better gear and a couple of new DPSs which absolutely melted Faust like he was nothing. I didn't even get to use LD the second time we killed him, but do feel more comfortable about what CDs to pop when. And speaking of that haha...getting hyper compressed plasma down to like 6ish K felt damn good!

[Ragnus]

3.07 Patch Notes.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...7aff5b99d9fb32

Unleash: Adjustments have been made to make enemy attack indicators visible.

Blood Weapon: Now applies an effect that reduces the TP cost of Weapon Skills by 20%.


So.... Blood weapon nerf?

[The Stig]

What makes you think that?

If a button costed 100TP under Blood weapon, it'll cost 80TP now

[Ragnus]

I didn't know whether it's being added to the skill or replacing the normal effect of 10% haste and MP regen on strike.

[Jahaudant]

If by "nerf" you mean "a positive adjustment that improves the skill" then yeah it's a nerf.

Anyone in game able to give a time until out of TP? Before today it was roughly 2 min 40 seconds.

[FHT]

So.... Blood weapon nerf?

It does everything it used to do, but now you've this -20% TP cost added to its effect.

[Shenrien]

If by "nerf" you mean "a positive adjustment that improves the skill" then yeah it's a nerf.

Anyone in game able to give a time until out of TP? Before today it was roughly 2 min 40 seconds.

Close to 7 minutes now

[Ragnus]

It does everything it used to do, but now you've this -20% TP cost added to its effect.

That was the only thing I was wondering. This is a really good buff.

[Taint]

Close to 7 minutes now

Whoa DRK runs out of TP at 7min mark? wtf.

[Eludi]

Whoa DRK runs out of TP at 7min mark? wtf.

No idea about that, I tested and only got 1 min extra

[Taint]

No idea about that, I tested and only got 1 min extra

Yeah I was thinking 3min or just after, but haven't tested.

[Raldo]

In a vaccuum, a buff you can keep up 25% of the time that reduces TP spent by 20% would equate to 5% less TP spent overall. It's not going to be a drastic change, certainly not 7 minutes. The 3 minute marker would be what I would expect as well.

[Carth]

Very interested in the 7 min mark myself. My napkin math was nowhere near that and I just clocked in at 3m20s (which is close to my napkin math).

[Kaslo]

Unleash: Adjustments have been made to make enemy attack indicators visible.

Ok brain fart moment, but what does this mean in layman's terms?