Bardmage 3.0

[Judai]

btw, for all of you saying BRD's are just casters now to balance everything, why the fuck do we have to deal with melee mechanics like Ravana Parry move but casters don't?

all the bad shit from casters, none of the good shit.

[Jem]

Do casters still get the advantage of lower Acc requirements too whilst we have to meet the higher melee requirements?

[Dignity]

tl;dr of this thread, effort/reward ratio not gud.

[Niiro]

effort/reward/fun ratio not gud.

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[Classikmage]

Same here, I'll still hold on to BRD, but once NIN is 60 I'm probably gonna be swapping over. I don't have fun on BRD any more either.

[Elcura]

I really hope a mass exodus from BRD changes something, would be hilarious.

[3.141592]

Do casters still get the advantage of lower Acc requirements too whilst we have to meet the higher melee requirements?

Yes ~

[Dignity]

Yes ~

you tryna bait

[Niiro]

The delay on Straight Shot procs actually taking effect is getting really fucking old.

Leveling MCH on my alt now, it's pretty fun and thus far no annoying bullshit.

[Raldo]

The delay on Straight Shot procs actually taking effect is getting really fucking old.

I'm late to the party on this because I finished a different job to 60 first, but when this happens to me, I've noticed that I can run around all I want during the first Straight Shot without breaking the cast. I think it even crits both times, but I haven't tested thoroughly. It's super weird. Is anyone else seeing that?

For example:
Heavy Shot (proc notification)
Straight Shot (doesn't use proc, cast time goes, but I can run around without breaking the cast; might still always crit?)
Straight Shot (uses proc, no casting bar, crit)

[Judai]

The delay on Straight Shot procs actually taking effect is getting really fucking old.

Leveling MCH on my alt now, it's pretty fun and thus far no annoying bullshit.

yea I'm leveling it now too. They clearly made MCH with the intention to use Gauss/Cast times and such and it flows nicely(procs,ammo,rapic fire, all sorts of easy ways to move) and it looks like they just tossed the same thing on BRD without any thought, thinking it would work the same. It's also 100x easier, as there aren't 1000 oGCDs to hit after every shot

[Spider-Dan]

There are more oGCDs to hit on MCH than there are on BRD.

BRD has B4B/HE/RS/Medi, Barrage, IR, BL, ME, Blunt, Repelling, Flaming, Empyreal, Sidewinder (13)
MCH has B4B/HE/RS/Medi, Reassemble, Reload, QR, Rapid, Heartbreak, Blank, Suppressive, Wildfire, Gauss Round, Ricochet, Hypercharge (15)

I actually had far more problems on MCH than I did on 50BRD because while you can just use B4B/HE/RS/IR/oldBarrage on CD (and therefore, all on a one button macro if you don't need to queue more than one at a time), the only button consolidation I can do with MCH is B4B+HE+RS and QR+Heartbreak. I had to end up getting an Orbweaver because I didn't have enough buttons.

[Seravi Edalborez]

The cast time skip of proc123 lets you more freely do double oGCD though.

[Niiro]

MCH only has more oGCD actions if you don't count the Bloodletter procs BRD has to use.

Which would be stupid.

[Judai]

yea, BRD has an oGCD every other fucking cast and only has SerS procs to drop 2 oGCDs in. It's simple as fuck compared to BRD right now. 50 BRD was easy, 60 BRD is completely different and so far, 54 MCH is in between but well closer to 50BRD easy. I was a big BL/ME macro type of BRD and used to put buffs in macros(no longer), but I have 0 macros on MCH

btw, it's Invigorate, not Meditation or w/e you are saying.

[Spider-Dan]

MCH only has more oGCD actions if you don't count the Bloodletter procs BRD has to use.

Which would be stupid.

MCH has more oGCD actions to juggle. This is a statement of empirical fact.
Whether they spend more time activating them depends on the actual cooldowns. BL does reset, but MCH has more short oGCD attacks.

[Judai]

that isn't even remotely logical

[Niiro]

that isn't even remotely logical

This is the part where I urge you to stop engaging him.

It's only going to get worse.

[Deader2818]

So generally it seems like Bard dps isnt really terrible but more so that people just don't find it fun?

[Judai]

brd dps is pretty low and it's a hassle to play. if you like the "style" of casting, smn and blm do way more dmg, and smn is way more mobile. MCH so far is way more fun then brd imo and is what their idea for WM was, but it doesn't work on brd.