Alexander Discussion, Round 2: Wait is this the easy mode thread?

[emmgee]

http://www.twitch.tv/krietor is streaming a4 savage

[Arthars]

wow even with weapons this week, SA3 is not that straight forward faceroll like everyone thought...

that fucking adds phase is not that simple than i thought... but finally got to last phase today ><

static finally getting their shit together and smell a victory

[Mira]

You would have won if your astro bought the globe!

http://a.pomf.cat/kjuwmg.jpg

[Edelweiss]

Or you know, wasn't an AST to begin with. But as he explained, they refuse to change back to SCH..

[Mira]

But astro cleared 1/2, they are clearly just as good

http://a.pomf.cat/ytckbo.jpg

[Kipling]

Arthars, I guess that guy going SCH just... wasn't in the cards.

[Akiyama]

Cleared A2S tonight

with an astro


:^)

[Avarice]

From what I could discern looking at Krietor's VoD:

Five tethers (versus three).
Tether damage is higher; 10000.
Still only two sets of orbs from Discoid (but this is still only the first phase).
Orb damage is about 8500 to non-tank.
Perpetual Ray hits non-tank for around 3500 if the proper leg is stunned. Failure to do causes it to deal 11000 damage, drain 30% of max MP, and 300TP.
Quarantine is still (at the start at least) only one tank and one DPS, however the add inside inflicts stacks of Blunt Resistance Down. These stacks last 120 seconds, meaning they do not wear off before Quarantine happens again, so it's a tank swap.

[Arthars]

You would have won if your astro bought the globe!

http://a.pomf.cat/kjuwmg.jpg

god damnit mira lolll

also astro as of this week, can easily still face roll turn 1 and 2, turn 3 is just another league. that succor and shields is just too superior in turn 3 massive raid damage

and the ast finally said something about "sch seems better" when they had a serious 2 hour discussion on skype for turn 3, throwing in an additional choice for miasma so smn can actually try to do damage than just heavy-ing all the adds

so shit seem to be getting better!

except i just checked his search comment and arcanist still lvl 50

his MP management seem to be better now tho, kinda still have like 80%ish MP in adds phase, so theres still a glimpse of hope i guess...

[Elcura]

I wanna see a new world first category with AST/PLD in it. For when it matters, you know.

[Jahaudant]

When someone refuses to contribute to progression amongst a group of people putting in their 100%, even after lots of discussion, failure, and obviously noticeable faults, I would usually say you should replace that person.

They want to play AST. Your group doesn't require an AST, it requires a SCH. One that is genuinely interested in progression (like the rest of your group seems to be) not just pretending to be.

My 2 cents.

[Elcura]

If that's raider mentality I find it pretty funny. I mean someone who reached A3S is pretending to be interested in progression? A lot of assumptions being thrown around because the basics of waiting for him (to get better or to level a new job) seem so far out of reach.

It's my 9.99 etc holy shit people are great.

[Jahaudant]

I'm just a bystander and I can only go on what Arthars has said so far but it sounds to me as though his AST would rather play AST than clear A3S. That's not being interested in progression, that's being interested in playing AST.

Edit: I never said waiting to get better or waiting for him to level wasn't an option. You can do 50-60 in 3 days. Less if your (geared and skilled) group helps run the levelling dungeons or if you just nollife it. But as already said... he doesn't seem to want to put the effort in.

[Elcura]

I'm just a bystander and I can only go on what Arthars has said so far but it sounds to me as though his AST would rather play AST than clear A3S. That's not being interested in progression, that's being interested in playing AST.

Why are the two mutually exclusive?

You aren't interested in progression (despite having gotten this far) you're just interested in playing a job you can play anywhere? Sounds like bullshit to me. His reasons for not leveling or delaying SCH are his own, to assume anything is silly.

When the other shoe drops and people are weekly grinding savage complaining about things to do, the clear final floor rush will be...as it always is. Actually it's far less because there's barely anything new to discover or enjoy. So seeing this gold rush is funny as hell this time around.

[Jahaudant]

I never assumed to know why he wont/is delaying levelling his SCH... his reasons are irrelevant. They might be his own, and more power to him. But if your mentality doesn't chime with your other 7 members why are you even playing with them to begin with? Go find a group that doesn't give a shit that you want to play AST and never level SCH... there are plenty of them. Arthars group doesn't strike me as one of these types of groups.

Also, I agree, in a few weeks group setup will bare no real impact on your ability to do (at least) A1-3. And personally, I haven't even cleared A1, heh. But again... that is kind of irrelevant when talking about a group that wants to get it done NOW.

[Jem]

Our WHM switched to AST and I think everyone in the static would prefer he switch back. The SCH even offered to level WHM so the AST had the choice of WHM or SCH. He just doesn't want to.

We're so casual raiders (3-6 hours per week) and have played together as friends for so long that we're just putting up with it. By the time we're making serious A3S attemps we'll have like 2-3 extra weeks of Eso behind us compared to the groups doing it now.


The other part of the problem is it can take that long to get another job leveled and geared (if it's a different role) that by the time you've done it, the gear upgrades in the interim are enough to override the initial problem.

So it entirely comes down to how hardcore you are I guess and if you're not, is the group good enough that a few pieces of extra gear will overcome the deficiencies. For us whether he's AST or WHM or SCH, we don't raid enough to have a serious shot of A3S in the next couple of weeks.

[Arthars]

well he wanted to make AST his new main thats understandable

but for a raw content with a new job, it would make sense that he also prep his former main, which was sch

however he is a REALLY busy person irl so i understand his reluctant-ness

however being said, he thought it was "ok" to go with AST but i think he finally come to realization that it isnt gotta happen anytime soon (at least this week) for AST to prevail in A3 and A4

so he did mention about sch but now we are tied in 2 situation:
1. wait for his sch?
2. continue to roll with his AST while waiting for point 1.

the above 2 points however wont come into any effect if he still hasnt start lvling sch, which he hasnt so...

i am mind fucked

side note tho, im not those who wanna be like world/server first shit, all i ever wanted was to clr it eventually so we all can have a longer week to lax and do our shit, and because of setup right now, we are actually burning more time than we should have.
people who watched myu stream can tell our brd and drg and smn is fucking OP in terms of DPS but we still lack DPS as a party
turn 1 and 2 were perfect example but still do-able. turn 3 is just on another level, i cant imagine turn 4 with ast

i dont hate them tho, i just fucking hate AST. nothing would have ever happened if AST isnt so broken, or introduced hahaha. we can still argue about the person because he refused to lvl sch tho, but yea...

also for peeps saying clearing turn 1 and 2 witrh AST already, thats already do-able in week 1, which my grp as done, but lets not kid yourself, if that AST was a SCH, you guys would have cleared 2-3 days earlier than you should have

[lilbubbles]

Eventually people will start getting body pieces and healing needed will be lower lol.

[Arthars]

yea as weeks go, this AST and PLD issue will be resolved, but its just annoying now

for eg, BG would have gotten the kill earlier or even not that close to enrage if they had a DRK

[Elcura]

And like Coil, these problems only really mattered until shit was changed or fixed. Isn't the issue what Jahaudant said? You wanna do it now so everything is inflated as hell.

And ultimately you see why proper class balance is necessary in these situations (whether it's done right or not).